[MDairheads] Dangerous Advice re Sealing Tube Type Rims

[Brian Kirchhoff]

I don't think Mac was waging a personal attack. Nor do I think what he said
is analogous to the examples of discussions over modifications we Airheads
get into about equipment that you list.

His email (and my follow up) was simply a warning and reminder that many of
the people in the Airhead community who know the most about our particular
bikes have come to a general consensus that this particular conversion
could be a SAFETY issue and as a result, they strongly advise against the
suggestion Mike offered. The examples you provide are not really in that
same category but are along the line of personal preference -- they
wouldn't put the rider in much (if any) risk if done correctly. This simply
is not a Corbain vs. Russell discussion. This was a warning that if you
convert spoked wheels to run without tubes, the Gurus have consistently
warned us that this increases the risk of tire failure because the rim was
not designed to work that way. That could realistically cause serious
injury or death.

While you are right that everyone can and must choose what they want to do,
your claiming that this isn't anyone else's business is not fair to the
intention that Mac (and I) had in responding to this particular suggestion.
I have a vested interest in NOT crashing myself -- along with a strong
desire to NOT see any of my friends crash as a result of a potentially
unsafe modification. As Mac said, if anyone new to Airheads read Mike's
response to my email without knowing the rest of this context, it could
lead someone to make a quick decision that is not informed by the
information many of our fellow Airheads have communicated to us over the
past several years.

Again -- do what you want to do. Nobody is infringing on your rugged
individualism and right to self-determination. But I strongly support Mac
sending out this warning; I'm never going to criticize someone for making
information available about a potential danger involved with  something we
might do with or to our bikes. All he did was encourage anyone considering
this modification to read a bit more from the likes of Snowbum and Cutter
who know more than most of us and have already taken the time to explain
the risks to us. (Thank god Snowbum's articles will live on!)

And if you don't like all of those discussions you list and think we should
all shut up and keep our opinions to ourselves, I have to wonder --- why
are you on an Airhead forum distribution list. That's like 95% of what gets
talked about on here. :-) This would be a pretty quiet forum if people
didn't talk about all that shit!

brian m. kirchhoff
402.617.2222 mobile


On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 3:29 PM Jim Wilson via MDAirheads <
mdairheads at casano.com> wrote:

> or as thedonald would say  fake news
> personal attacks are again* NOT RELEVANT ON THIS SITE !*
>
> Woody's Wheel Works, see
> > https://woodyswheelworks.com/
> > a highly respected wheel builder, WILL NOT perform this procedure and
> > specifically strongly advises AGAINST it.
>
> > IF anyone is inclined to follow Mike Cecchini's advice, below, re sealing
> > tube type rims, please DO your own homework FIRST as to whether this
> > procedure is safe or not. Only then can you make an INFORMED decision.
> >
> > Mike has repeated this same advice on the airhead list about a bazillion
> > times, in spite of Bob Fleischer (Snowbum), Tom Cutter and others
> advising
> > in the strongest possible words that this is very bad advice. Tube type
> > rims are NOT shaped to accept tubeless tires plus there are other reasons
> > to NOT do this. It is DANGEROUS advice.
>
>
> the above graph       is a direct  copy /  paste    straight off WOODY'S
> WHEEL WORKS   ! !  TODAY  !  !
> i would suggest they know more about wheels than most guru's.
>
> !
> https://woodyswheelworks.com/pages/tube-type-spoked-motorcycle-wheel-repair
>
> http://www.buchananspokes.com/categories/labor.asp       ......... doesn't
> list this as a service they preform.
>
>
> https://adventure-motorcycling.com/2012/02/14/converting-spoked-rims-for-tubeless-tyres/
>
> https://adventure-motorcycling.com/diy-tubeless-sealing-of-spoked-wheels/
>
> and a dozen companies who sell the products that because of modern
> chemicals allow sealing.  thanks to nasa and dow and others.  wouldn't they
> be liable for providing inferior products like the ''FLIP A LEVER'' and the
> inventor was sued and lost everything, * yet* that products has been copied
> and sold to thousands of riders today.
>
> i would imagine that IF a person wanted to convert their bike to electronic
> ignition or alter their alternator with a better quality diode board,
> they could do so WITHOUT complaints from others.
> same with installing an 800 watt charging system !  and being absolutely
> clueless as to how to fix it after the rider is stuck in bumfucegypt
>
> same with converting an under tank M/C to the handlebars or changing a
> clamshell to 4 or 6 pot calipers or that 1 guy who makes / machines a
> clamshell to use brembos,  or the 6-8 guys who alter their bikes dynamics
> and make/sell/provide  a top triple clamp other than the bmw standard top
> triple clamp, use k&n filters, replacing final drive gear ratios bought off
> ebay ........
>
>
> same with adding a dyna point module,    or    using knobby tyres on a
> street bike,    or a corbin seat vs a russell,     changing ergonomics
> handlebars,     or having claude Stanley make a BMWs for wheel chair riders
> where the rider controls his rig from his wheel chair while seated in the
> sidecar, using LED's  or  HID's instead of conventional H4 bulbs because
> some folks ride at night and our eyes are older and we want better vision,
>  or wear inferior gear like Bilt products or 3rd hand 20yr old
>
> What business is it of ANYONE ELSE'S  ??       ...........      get the
> point yet
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLlv_aZjHXc
>
>
>
>
>           *   Jim   *
>
> *             ....... **why @ my age,  **... my memory is SO sharp that I
> can remember                                                  ** everything
> that happened to me, **even if it didn't**  . . . . ..*
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