From ken at kencross.net Thu Jul 1 18:01:41 2021 From: ken at kencross.net (ken kencross.net) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2021 22:01:41 +0000 Subject: Wanted: San Jose-Style Front Fork Brace Message-ID: East Coast Airheads Untie! ... I mean Unite ? Hey I'm trying to stiffen-up the front end of my '77R100 and wondering if any Heads out there happen to have a San Jose Style 'Dual Loop' front fork brace that they'd like to part with, cash or trade, whatever floats your floatbowl. As I understand it, this would be the type that replaces the front fender mount bracket. Anyway, I thought I'd check with you guys first, keep it 'in the family' if possible;:) Sincerely, Ken 760-583-8385 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From csutty400 at gmail.com Thu Jul 1 18:22:37 2021 From: csutty400 at gmail.com (Christopher Sutton) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2021 18:22:37 -0400 Subject: Wanted: San Jose-Style Front Fork Brace In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44D86103-3D42-4764-AF86-1E94149BCCA9@gmail.com> If you can?t find someone to part with one, check out https://www.flatracer.com/flatracer-bmw-airhead-boxer-cafe-racer-fork-braces They look very similar to the popular San Jose Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 1, 2021, at 6:02 PM, ken kencross.net wrote: > > ? > East Coast Airheads Untie! ... I mean Unite ? > > Hey I'm trying to stiffen-up the front end of my '77R100 and wondering if any Heads out there happen to have a San Jose Style 'Dual Loop' front fork brace that they'd like to part with, cash or trade, whatever floats your floatbowl. As I understand it, this would be the type that replaces the front fender mount bracket. Anyway, I thought I'd check with you guys first, keep it 'in the family' if possible;:) > > Sincerely, > Ken > 760-583-8385 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From daveandcarel at gmail.com Fri Jul 2 14:33:29 2021 From: daveandcarel at gmail.com (David Fish) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2021 14:33:29 -0400 Subject: how carburators work Message-ID: Heads, My son sent me this video about carbs and it gives some great visuals about what is happening inside one. Maybe you will enjoy it too. Dave Fish ABC #10204 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toVfvRhWbj8 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barney12231963 at gmail.com Sun Jul 4 06:36:15 2021 From: barney12231963 at gmail.com (Craig Barnhart) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2021 06:36:15 -0400 Subject: /5 oil flow issue In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: Hello, This is the last update on my /5 oil flow issue. Oil pump spinning on camshaft: https://youtu.be/AvWdLQlvCMQ Woodruff key missing: https://photos.app.goo.gl/3n8tM8BgbXNPiAVTA Woodruff key replacement with Elmer's glue: https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZnM9uZQssCahuDWNA Oil pump prime and test: https://youtu.be/bs2eNaaPEuU Thank you everyone. Craig On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 10:10 AM Craig Barnhart wrote: > Take Two: https://youtu.be/0OiJpaVJyH0 > > No Joy. > > Note: I forgot to remove (and ground) the spark plugs this time but I had > the green coil wire off. The battery was strong enough for the test anyway. > > It's on YouTube this time so feel free to comment there if you like. > > On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 4:42 PM Tom Cutter > wrote: > >> oops, I made a typo! SHOULD SAY " If no joy, you know the pump is NOT >> working" >> >> -- >> Tom Cutter >> Yardley, PA >> www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com >> >> "Normalize telling your friends that you love them. Tell them a lot. Make >> it weird." --unk >> >> >> >> >> >> Virus-free. >> www.avast.com >> >> <#m_-2010962653816028979_m_3493305825176858612_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> >> On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 4:00 PM Tom Cutter >> wrote: >> >>> I?d put it on the centerstand with a 1/2? shim under the right hand leg >>> of the stand. Hold a pan under the filter cavity, because this test gets >>> messy if everything is working. If no joy, you know the pump is t working, >>> probably because the tiny key slipped out. I glue the key in with Elmer?s >>> glue so it doesn?t fall. The glue dissolves in the hot oil and is harmless. >>> >>> Tom Cutter >>> Rubber Chicken Racing Garage >>> Yardley, PA USA >>> RubberChickenRacingGarage.com >>> >>> On Jun 18, 2021, at 3:19 PM, Craig Barnhart >>> wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> I just got some feedback. >>> >>> Someone said I leaned the bike over too much for the pickup to get oil >>> to the pump. >>> >>> If so, should I just put the bike on the side stand and do it again? >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 2:52 PM Craig Barnhart >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Looks like I'll be disassembling from the rear to get to the oil pump. >>>> >>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/STcPCtZkrEEWXM9G6 >>>> >>>> You can ignore my unedited speech bloopers at the end. >>>> >>>> Craig >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 12:39 PM Craig Barnhart < >>>> barney12231963 at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thank you sir! >>>>> >>>>> That's exactly what I wanted, a direction to go. >>>>> >>>>> Maybe I'll take a video to determine what "A LOT" means. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 11:45 AM Tom Cutter < >>>>> rubberchickenracing at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Craig- >>>>>> >>>>>> I use a system called Divide and Conquer. In this case this means >>>>>> look at the system in parts. To do this first remove the oil filter cover >>>>>> (bike laid partly over to left) and see if it is full of oil. A tap on the >>>>>> starter (plugs out/grounded) will tell you if the oil pump is working. If >>>>>> you don't get a LOT of oil coming out of the pump cavity very fast, (this >>>>>> will be messy) then the pump is the problem. On a /5 that means the >>>>>> woodruff key slipped, so you know where you have to go to fix that. VERY >>>>>> common fault with the /5 which uses that tiny key. >>>>>> >>>>>> Check that, report back. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tom Cutter >>>>>> Yardley, PA >>>>>> www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com >>>>>> >>>>>> "Normalize telling your friends that you love them. Tell them a lot. >>>>>> Make it weird." --unk >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 11:35 AM Craig Barnhart < >>>>>> barney12231963 at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Greetings Airheads, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have an oil flow issue on my newly assembled 1972 R50/5 project >>>>>>> bike, and I'm scratching my head trying to determine the next steps. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is the first time I ever attempted to start the bike, and I am >>>>>>> not getting oil from the sump to the cylinder heads, and only a residual >>>>>>> amount to the oil sensor (oil pressure light stays on). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Background:* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As part of this three-year (part time) project, I replaced all seals >>>>>>> including the fuel pump's o-ring and cover, the woodruff key, and visually >>>>>>> inspected (no measurements) the fuel pump. I also replaced the pickup >>>>>>> gasket. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *What I've done since the issue, not necessarily in this order:* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. Read thru this thread: >>>>>>> https://advrider.com/f/threads/airhead-oil-priming-problem-ha.746898/. >>>>>>> The *Bill Harris, Dec 5, 2011 *entry is the best summary on the >>>>>>> page. >>>>>>> 2. Studied Snowbum's diagram and notes: >>>>>>> https://bmwmotorcycletech.info/oilsketch.htm >>>>>>> 3. Tested the oil sensor switch. >>>>>>> 4. Filled the oil filter cavity with oil to prime it (laid the >>>>>>> bike on its side to fill--learned this trick from Tom Cutter). >>>>>>> 5. Hand pumped (as best I could) oil into the oil sensor hole to >>>>>>> prime it. >>>>>>> 6. Visually checked the pickup, bolts, and gasket >>>>>>> 7. Blew air (with an air compressor) into the pickup and felt >>>>>>> air coming out of the right cylinder. >>>>>>> 8. Blew air into the oil sensor hole. >>>>>>> 9. Blew air into oil filter cavity holes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Outcomes after turning over the engine (spark plugs out; green coil >>>>>>> wire off) for 90 seconds at a time:* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. I got a tiny bit of oil into the left head (right side of the >>>>>>> left head) at one point of the process. >>>>>>> 2. Oil is coming into the oil filter cavity. >>>>>>> 3. There is residual oil in the oil sensor hole (seeps out when >>>>>>> sensor is removed), but it doesn't flow out when turning over. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *AFAIK this is what is left to check:* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. Oil pump - Visually inspect again and take measurements this >>>>>>> time (remove flywheel, etc.) >>>>>>> 2. Oil pressure relief valve - Make sure it's not stuck open >>>>>>> (remove timing cover) >>>>>>> 3. Ensure front main bearing cap oil passage hole lines up with >>>>>>> engine block hole - Not sure if I can do this visually without removing the >>>>>>> main bearing or cap (remove timing cover) >>>>>>> 4. Something clogged in the system - I don't know how to check >>>>>>> this other than blowing air through it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Questions:* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. Can I narrow it down to one area before disassembling the >>>>>>> rear and/or front end? >>>>>>> 2. Is there any way to test the system after disassembling >>>>>>> besides a visual inspection and measurements? >>>>>>> 3. I can tow the bike to Chris' tech day if anyone thinks it >>>>>>> would help to see it in person. Does anyone think it would be helpful to >>>>>>> bring it? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you! >>>>>>> Craig >>>>>>> >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chrisk224 at comcast.net Sun Jul 4 14:31:05 2021 From: chrisk224 at comcast.net (Chris Kennedy) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2021 14:31:05 -0400 Subject: /5 oil flow issue In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: <003801d77102$c2216240$466426c0$@comcast.net> Afternoon Craig, Congratulations on getting the problem resolved. I liked the way you documented your progress. The advice that is provided on this forum is excellent. Definitely pays to be an Airhead. Cheers Chris From: Craig Barnhart [mailto:barney12231963 at gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2021 6:36 AM To: PA Airheads; mdairheads at casano.com Subject: Re: /5 oil flow issue Hello, This is the last update on my /5 oil flow issue. Oil pump spinning on camshaft: https://youtu.be/AvWdLQlvCMQ Woodruff key missing: https://photos.app.goo.gl/3n8tM8BgbXNPiAVTA Woodruff key replacement with Elmer's glue: https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZnM9uZQssCahuDWNA Oil pump prime and test: https://youtu.be/bs2eNaaPEuU Thank you everyone. Craig On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 10:10 AM Craig Barnhart wrote: Take Two: https://youtu.be/0OiJpaVJyH0 No Joy. Note: I forgot to remove (and ground) the spark plugs this time but I had the green coil wire off. The battery was strong enough for the test anyway. It's on YouTube this time so feel free to comment there if you like. On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 4:42 PM Tom Cutter wrote: oops, I made a typo! SHOULD SAY " If no joy, you know the pump is NOT working" -- Tom Cutter Yardley, PA www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com "Normalize telling your friends that you love them. Tell them a lot. Make it weird." --unk Virus-free. www.avast.com On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 4:00 PM Tom Cutter wrote: I?d put it on the centerstand with a 1/2? shim under the right hand leg of the stand. Hold a pan under the filter cavity, because this test gets messy if everything is working. If no joy, you know the pump is t working, probably because the tiny key slipped out. I glue the key in with Elmer?s glue so it doesn?t fall. The glue dissolves in the hot oil and is harmless. Tom Cutter Rubber Chicken Racing Garage Yardley, PA USA RubberChickenRacingGarage.com On Jun 18, 2021, at 3:19 PM, Craig Barnhart wrote: ? I just got some feedback. Someone said I leaned the bike over too much for the pickup to get oil to the pump. If so, should I just put the bike on the side stand and do it again? On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 2:52 PM Craig Barnhart wrote: Looks like I'll be disassembling from the rear to get to the oil pump. https://photos.app.goo.gl/STcPCtZkrEEWXM9G6 You can ignore my unedited speech bloopers at the end. Craig On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 12:39 PM Craig Barnhart wrote: Thank you sir! That's exactly what I wanted, a direction to go. Maybe I'll take a video to determine what "A LOT" means. On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 11:45 AM Tom Cutter wrote: Craig- I use a system called Divide and Conquer. In this case this means look at the system in parts. To do this first remove the oil filter cover (bike laid partly over to left) and see if it is full of oil. A tap on the starter (plugs out/grounded) will tell you if the oil pump is working. If you don't get a LOT of oil coming out of the pump cavity very fast, (this will be messy) then the pump is the problem. On a /5 that means the woodruff key slipped, so you know where you have to go to fix that. VERY common fault with the /5 which uses that tiny key. Check that, report back. -- Tom Cutter Yardley, PA www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com "Normalize telling your friends that you love them. Tell them a lot. Make it weird." --unk On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 11:35 AM Craig Barnhart wrote: Greetings Airheads, I have an oil flow issue on my newly assembled 1972 R50/5 project bike, and I'm scratching my head trying to determine the next steps. This is the first time I ever attempted to start the bike, and I am not getting oil from the sump to the cylinder heads, and only a residual amount to the oil sensor (oil pressure light stays on). Background: As part of this three-year (part time) project, I replaced all seals including the fuel pump's o-ring and cover, the woodruff key, and visually inspected (no measurements) the fuel pump. I also replaced the pickup gasket. What I've done since the issue, not necessarily in this order: 1. Read thru this thread: https://advrider.com/f/threads/airhead-oil-priming-problem-ha.746898/. The Bill Harris, Dec 5, 2011 entry is the best summary on the page. 2. Studied Snowbum's diagram and notes: https://bmwmotorcycletech.info/oilsketch.htm 3. Tested the oil sensor switch. 4. Filled the oil filter cavity with oil to prime it (laid the bike on its side to fill--learned this trick from Tom Cutter). 5. Hand pumped (as best I could) oil into the oil sensor hole to prime it. 6. Visually checked the pickup, bolts, and gasket 7. Blew air (with an air compressor) into the pickup and felt air coming out of the right cylinder. 8. Blew air into the oil sensor hole. 9. Blew air into oil filter cavity holes. Outcomes after turning over the engine (spark plugs out; green coil wire off) for 90 seconds at a time: 1. I got a tiny bit of oil into the left head (right side of the left head) at one point of the process. 2. Oil is coming into the oil filter cavity. 3. There is residual oil in the oil sensor hole (seeps out when sensor is removed), but it doesn't flow out when turning over. AFAIK this is what is left to check: 1. Oil pump - Visually inspect again and take measurements this time (remove flywheel, etc.) 2. Oil pressure relief valve - Make sure it's not stuck open (remove timing cover) 3. Ensure front main bearing cap oil passage hole lines up with engine block hole - Not sure if I can do this visually without removing the main bearing or cap (remove timing cover) 4. Something clogged in the system - I don't know how to check this other than blowing air through it. Questions: 1. Can I narrow it down to one area before disassembling the rear and/or front end? 2. Is there any way to test the system after disassembling besides a visual inspection and measurements? 3. I can tow the bike to Chris' tech day if anyone thinks it would help to see it in person. Does anyone think it would be helpful to bring it? Thank you! Craig -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrc.engr at verizon.net Sun Jul 4 14:56:57 2021 From: mrc.engr at verizon.net (Michael Cecchini) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2021 18:56:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Wanted: San Jose-Style Front Fork Brace--- Check for Fork Stiction FIRST In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2088341951.1472557.1625425017664@mail.yahoo.com> Unless you are semi-pro level rider in AMA, your R100 forks don't need a fork brace. 90+% of the time fork stiction is the real issue because fork tubes and some yokes are not straight....right from BMW.?? If you install a fork brace without correcting the real issues:?? 1. Fork brace will not help. 2. Can make things worse. Here's a quick easy way to check your fork stiction and correct it.? Take the front wheel off, remove fork springs, put front axle back in and tighten things to factory specs. Then raise and lower the axle to see if you have any binding issues. A possible simple quick fix can sometimes relieve the stiction.? Rotate one of the male fork leg tubes 45 degrees at a time for a full 270 degree rotation. and repeat the up/down procedure to feel if any stiction is relieved.? If you get some improvement with one male fork tube, then tighten the yoke clamps on that tube and proceede to the other fork tube.? Repeat process. I have had considerable success with this process with my /6 that had a fork brace that I removed.? If none of the above produces any satisfactory results, then you need your fork tubes checked for straightness and the yokes checked for straightness and holes checked for alignment.? Here's a excellent article from BMW Master, Duane Ausherman.? https://w6rec.com/how-to-measure-stiction-of-forks-of-a-bmw-motorcycle/ If you really want to read the right article on all this.....?https://w6rec.com/204-2/ My best....... Mike *************************** From: ken kencross.net? #yiv6037496669 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}East Coast Airheads Untie! ... I mean Unite ? Hey I'm trying to stiffen-up the front end of my '77R100 and wondering if any Heads out there happen to have a San Jose Style 'Dual Loop' front fork brace that they'd like to part with, cash or trade, whatever floats your floatbowl.? As I understand it, this would be the type that replaces the front fender mount bracket.? Anyway, I thought I'd check with you guys first, keep it 'in the family' if possible;:) Sincerely,Ken?760-583-8385 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From csutty400 at gmail.com Tue Jul 6 20:13:09 2021 From: csutty400 at gmail.com (Chris) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2021 20:13:09 -0400 Subject: July 18th One Can Message-ID: Greetings Airheads! It's about time for another one can. I propose we do it on July 18th. The location will be 1165 Richmond Rd, Bangor, PA 18013 Time will be 1200. This is the home of the Blue Mountain Antique Gas and Steam engine shows. Here is a link if you want to read about it. http://www.jacktown.org "ONE CAN" get together. Bring "ONE CAN" of your favorite beverage, finish it then leave. no bull s---ing, no teching, just "ONE CAN" and outta there! Maybe the ride there and back will break up your ?Covy? monotony. Grass roots in getting the word out. 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Some of you have seen me change a tire at Supertech which was amusing for most everyone in attendance? Jim McKinna will have a tire changer on hand, so feel free to bring your new tires for mounting? The shop is equipped with tools to perform any work on an airhead outside of a transmission rebuild or installation of valve seats and guides... I have one lift and it will be occupied with my bike for the better part of the day. the shop is 25?x25? clear inside with no center support and has room to support three lifts if anyone wants to haul one over? Plenty of random spare parts on hand as well. Plenty of parking for bikes in the driveway. I have a grill on the back patio and a fridge that can be used to store your beverages. Venison burgers for lunch. Plenty of coolers. Feel free to bring anything along you want to throw on the grill as well. Fire pit in the back yard and plenty of wood for an evening campfire. Space in the yard for tents and air conditioned floor space in the house if you want/need to crash.. Let me know if you plan to attend, so I have an idea of how much food to prep? Will Andalora MD Airmarshal AB C 11737 410 596 0812 Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ezwicky2 at gmail.com Sun Jul 11 18:35:41 2021 From: ezwicky2 at gmail.com (Zwicky, Eric) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2021 18:35:41 -0400 Subject: Anybody heard from Mac Kirkpatrick? Message-ID: <5f10ef21-817f-d70c-6742-2dc29743520e@gmail.com> Remembering the Rolling Rally to Gathering of the Clans a few years ago reminded me that Mac Kirkpatrick was in our group. And I haven't heard from him in a while. I heard second-hand that he was having some health problems a couple months ago, so I just wanted to see if anybody has any news. Eric Z RVa From kgbruce1 at gmail.com Mon Jul 12 08:02:03 2021 From: kgbruce1 at gmail.com (Ken Bruce) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 08:02:03 -0400 Subject: Anybody heard from Mac Kirkpatrick? In-Reply-To: <5f10ef21-817f-d70c-6742-2dc29743520e@gmail.com> References: <5f10ef21-817f-d70c-6742-2dc29743520e@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hey Eric, Mac appears to have recovered nicely and is doing well. He took delivery of a new 4x4 camping rig and is currently on a nice, long shakedown run out west. Ken Bruce Downingtown, PA On Sun, Jul 11, 2021 at 8:34 PM Zwicky, Eric wrote: > Remembering the Rolling Rally to Gathering of the Clans a few years ago > reminded me that Mac Kirkpatrick was in our group. And I haven't heard > from him in a while. > > I heard second-hand that he was having some health problems a couple > months ago, so I just wanted to see if anybody has any news. > > Eric Z > RVa > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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S2 -------- Original message --------From: Chris Date: 7/6/21 8:13 PM (GMT-05:00) To: PAAirheads , njairheads at casano.com Subject: July 18th One Can Greetings Airheads!It's about time for another one can. I propose we do it on July 18th. The location will be?1165 Richmond Rd, Bangor, PA 18013?Time will be 1200.?This is the home of the Blue Mountain Antique Gas and Steam engine shows.?Here is a link if you want to read about it.?http://www.jacktown.org?"ONE CAN" get together.?Bring "ONE CAN" of your favorite beverage, finish it?then leave. no bull s---ing, no teching, just "ONE CAN" and outta there!?Maybe the ride there and back will break up your ?Covy? monotony.?Grass roots? in getting the word out.See you hedz there?? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The location will be 1165 Richmond Rd, Bangor, PA 18013 > Time will be 1200. > > This is the home of the Blue Mountain Antique Gas and Steam engine shows. > > Here is a link if you want to read about it. > > http://www.jacktown.org > > "ONE CAN" get together. > Bring "ONE CAN" of your favorite beverage, finish it > then leave. no bull s---ing, no teching, just "ONE CAN" and outta there! > Maybe the ride there and back will break up your ?Covy? monotony. > Grass roots in getting the word out. > > See you hedz there?? > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Here is a link if you want to read about it.? http://www.jacktown.org? "ONE CAN" get together. ?Bring "ONE CAN" of your favorite beverage, finish it ?then leave. no bull s---ing, no teching, just "ONE CAN" and outta there! ?Maybe the ride there and back will break up your ?Covy? monotony. ?Grass roots? in getting the word out. See you hedz there?? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From susan.quitzau at gmail.com Mon Jul 19 09:37:38 2021 From: susan.quitzau at gmail.com (susan.quitzau at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 09:37:38 -0400 Subject: One Can - Good To Meet Ya Message-ID: <000401d77ca3$3e443590$bacca0b0$@gmail.com> Had a nice introduction to a few PA Airhead members yesterday at Jacktown location. Thanks for including me. Looking forward to seeing you again. Ride On Baby Ride On! Susan Q 1984R65LS REDSZQ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Susan Q 1984R65LS REDSZQ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 2021_Jacktown_Steam Gas_2021.07.16.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 720205 bytes Desc: not available URL: From susan.quitzau at gmail.com Wed Jul 21 10:40:36 2021 From: susan.quitzau at gmail.com (Susan.Quitzau) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 10:40:36 -0400 Subject: Rocker Arms/valve adjustment - (This is a long one, pull up a chair) Message-ID: Hello new friends & Airhead Brethren, (if I may be so bold) INTRO: I am SusanQ. I bought my '84 R65Ls(RED) a couple months ago with no service documentation and in non-running condition. Cleaned carbs and inspected floats & jet needles, freed brake caliper, de-rested gas cap and tank, changed all oils, brake fluid and pads, air filter, cables, tires, etc.... You know the drill. Trying to syncing carbs has reminded me that the "order of things" should have me checking valves first. And, meeting several of you on Sunday wirh your smooth running machines encouraged me to get at checking my valves (sooner rather than later). So, I've been studying up - ain't You-tube videos grand!! Ok, so now you have a little background and I need your opinions and guidance. Yesterday I removed spark plugs and valve covers, and set/viewed OT/TDC in the little window by bumping the rear wheel while in 5th gear. Visual inspection - everything has suffucient oily coating. I did NOT touch any tools to any parts inside. THE CONCERN: ALL the rocker arms are tight against valve tips with ZERO play or clearance. No wiggle or space by hand, up, down, or . In fact, I couldn't even detect rocker movement when bumping wheel to determine compression side. Woe is me. Out of desperation to witness some movement, I took 'RED' off the centerstand and rolled back & forth (limited) and happily noticed rocker movement at the right cylinder. QUESTION(s): What do I do next? Loosen and adjust valve clearances on the compression side? Or must I do something first with the rocker up/down positioners? "Help", she cried, knowing there was a whole network of airhead enthusiasts at her fingertips. (Hope that made you laugh if you're still reading this long post?) Ride On Baby Ride On! TIA! Susan from NJ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rubberchickenracing at gmail.com Wed Jul 21 11:58:34 2021 From: rubberchickenracing at gmail.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 11:58:34 -0400 Subject: Rocker Arms/valve adjustment - (This is a long one, pull up a chair) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Susan- First- Sorry I missed meeting you at the One Can gathering. Family stuff you know? To the valves: It is POSSIBLE that there is actually no valve clearance, the 1981-84 models were notorious for rapid valve recessions, which can be indicative of larger issues, but lets think positive: You probably had the WRONG OT, that's all. The camshaft rotate at half engine speed, so yu need to rotate the crankshaft by whatever is your favorite method, in the correct direction of rotation (clockwise as viewed from the front) until the INTAKE valve opens, then closes again. That puts the cylinder being worked on at OT Compression stroke. Now you can do your valve and rocker adjustment and head bolt retorque (always slacken 1/4 turn before retorquing.) After you finish one cylinder, rotate the crankshaft 360 degrees until the OT mark appears again in the window and you can adjust the other cylinder valves, rockers, etc. Remember, it is so simple that men can do it. You got this. -- Tom Cutter Yardley, PA www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com See our new ignition product at www.WEDGETAILUSA.com "Normalize telling your friends that you love them. Tell them a lot. Make it weird." --unknown On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 10:41 AM Susan.Quitzau wrote: > Hello new friends & Airhead Brethren, (if I may be so bold) > > INTRO: > I am SusanQ. I bought my '84 R65Ls(RED) a couple months ago with no > service documentation and in non-running condition. Cleaned carbs and > inspected floats & jet needles, freed brake caliper, de-rested gas cap and > tank, changed all oils, brake fluid and pads, air filter, cables, tires, > etc.... You know the drill. > > Trying to syncing carbs has reminded me that the "order of things" should > have me checking valves first. > > And, meeting several of you on Sunday wirh your smooth running machines > encouraged me to get at checking my valves (sooner rather than later). So, > I've been studying up - ain't You-tube videos grand!! > > Ok, so now you have a little background and I need your opinions and > guidance. > > Yesterday I removed spark plugs and valve covers, and set/viewed OT/TDC in > the little window by bumping the rear wheel while in 5th gear. > > Visual inspection - everything has suffucient oily coating. I did NOT > touch any tools to any parts inside. > > THE CONCERN: ALL the rocker arms are tight against valve tips with ZERO > play or clearance. No wiggle or space by hand, up, down, or . In fact, I > couldn't even detect rocker movement when bumping wheel to determine > compression side. Woe is me. > > Out of desperation to witness some movement, I took 'RED' off the > centerstand and rolled back & forth (limited) and happily noticed rocker > movement at the right cylinder. > > QUESTION(s): What do I do next? Loosen and adjust valve clearances on > the compression side? Or must I do something first with the rocker up/down > positioners? > > "Help", she cried, knowing there was a whole network of airhead > enthusiasts at her fingertips. (Hope that made you laugh if you're still > reading this long post?) > > Ride On Baby Ride On! > TIA! > Susan from NJ > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bmwbob at ptd.net Wed Jul 21 12:06:40 2021 From: bmwbob at ptd.net (bmwbob) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 12:06:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Rocker Arms/valve adjustment - (This is a long one, pull up a chair) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1504587867.403458462.1626883600156.JavaMail.zimbra@ptd.net> Susan from NJ. Thoughts from an OLD SCHOOLER. Pick a Sat. or Sun., time, location and post it. Get some donuts or cookies, coffee etc. Some airheads who can guide you through the proper way to set timing, valve adj., carb. sinc. will show up. maybe a Rob or Chris or even Bobdalf would. It has been taught many times at Techdays in PA, NJ, and other states. I would not rely on the internet. Hands on from a knowledgeable person is still the best way to learn before making a costly mistake. Bob Sipp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan.Quitzau" To: "PA Airheads List" Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2021 10:40:36 AM Subject: Rocker Arms/valve adjustment - (This is a long one, pull up a chair) Hello new friends & Airhead Brethren, (if I may be so bold) From susan.quitzau at gmail.com Wed Jul 21 16:19:25 2021 From: susan.quitzau at gmail.com (susan.quitzau at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 16:19:25 -0400 Subject: Rocker Arms/valve adjustment Message-ID: <002201d77e6d$b404d6b0$1c0e8410$@gmail.com> I?m sorry to be so delayed acknowledging my HUGE THANK YOU to all who took time to respond, offer guidance, or phone numbers, etc. in reply to what to do next - adjusting valves on my R65LS. (Don?t you hate when someone asks and then goes silent?! Argh!) My apologies for that ? I?ve been tied up with my elder father?s stuff all day since shortly after my post -- though I did get a call in with Bill Dudley who was most encouraging as well. RED and I have a date in the garage a bit later and I?ll be taking all your guidance and instructions with me. I?ll post back with an update when there?s something to tell or ask? You are a good bunch to know! And hopefully get to ride with some day soon ? Thanks again! SusanQ From: Susan.Quitzau Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2021 10:41 AM To: paairheads at casano.com Subject: Rocker Arms/valve adjustment - (This is a long one, pull up a chair) Hello new friends & Airhead Brethren, (if I may be so bold) INTRO: I am SusanQ. I bought my '84 R65Ls(RED) a couple months ago with no service documentation and in non-running condition. Cleaned carbs and inspected floats & jet needles, freed brake caliper, de-rested gas cap and tank, changed all oils, brake fluid and pads, air filter, cables, tires, etc.... You know the drill. Trying to syncing carbs has reminded me that the "order of things" should have me checking valves first. And, meeting several of you on Sunday wirh your smooth running machines encouraged me to get at checking my valves (sooner rather than later). So, I've been studying up - ain't You-tube videos grand!! Ok, so now you have a little background and I need your opinions and guidance. Yesterday I removed spark plugs and valve covers, and set/viewed OT/TDC in the little window by bumping the rear wheel while in 5th gear. Visual inspection - everything has suffucient oily coating. I did NOT touch any tools to any parts inside. THE CONCERN: ALL the rocker arms are tight against valve tips with ZERO play or clearance. No wiggle or space by hand, up, down, or . In fact, I couldn't even detect rocker movement when bumping wheel to determine compression side. Woe is me. Out of desperation to witness some movement, I took 'RED' off the centerstand and rolled back & forth (limited) and happily noticed rocker movement at the right cylinder. QUESTION(s): What do I do next? Loosen and adjust valve clearances on the compression side? Or must I do something first with the rocker up/down positioners? "Help", she cried, knowing there was a whole network of airhead enthusiasts at her fingertips. (Hope that made you laugh if you're still reading this long post?) Ride On Baby Ride On! TIA! Susan from NJ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Well, in addition to my lack of experience and lack comfort from repetition, is my discovery of conflicting information that bumps my confusion and second guessing to the next level of anxiety. For instance: 1. Attempting to Identify the compression (closed) stroke/cylinder while watching and waiting for valves to open and close on either cylinder while ?bumping/turning? rear wheel and peering into small diameter hole looking for OT mark was a challenge for me and gave me the initial angst. What I found as my most helpful (ah ha!) in all that I read and subsequently experienced was simply that when OT was viewed through the window, the head with rotatable push rods is the on the compression stroke! Easy peasy as long as the push rods are not bent or otherwise resistant. Also, after adjusting the left cylinder valve clearances, I simply used the tire stem as my guide to rotating the rear wheel 360 deg and in quick order, found OT and confirmed the right cylinder was in compression stroke by the ease of which I could turn the push rods. 2. Feeler Gauges with Go-No-Go are cool. However when one has not used feelers with a range of measurement (not just singular metric and inch measurement stamps) and nothing tells you that the initial insertion is the first number in the range and the step up in size is the end range; what should be obvious and logical isn?t always to the conscientious mind. (that clearly over thinks things! Guilty!) 3. Add further confusion to this already confused girl New-to-valve adjusting person ? trying to make sense of advice to set intake clearance to .10 and exhaust clearance to .20 or in the same instruction, written otherwise as .006? intake and .010? exhaust or even ?intake 6mm? and ?exhaust 8mm?. Oh boy. And Then more uncertainty abounds by checking the R65LS manual which says after first 600 miles the valve clearances are: ?Inlet: 0.05 mm (0.002 in) Outlet 0.20 mm (0.008 in). Info on measurements are close but varied enough that when you don?t know how much the small differences matter, it dwindles confidence and or delays completion. (add the mystique of German perfection and runs like a Swiss clock vs it?s all an illusion ? sorry, don?t mind me?that?s subject for another discussion :) ) And so, I made my best first attempt at adjusting my airhead valves whereas the best part isn?t just that I have the satisfaction of having done it, but that I have a better understanding of how & why to do it and am not so reluctant in re-doing or re-checking next time. For those who might be wondering ? No, I did not loosen and retorque the rocker shaft end play nuts. I?m leaving them well enough alone. The nuts are tight with no excessive or up & down movement in the rockers. Now, before you conclude that I?ve got too much time on my hands for too much thinking, I?ll tell you that I did all that between 10-12 pm last night after a full day?s work. Some would call that passion. Geez ? shut up already Susan! Have a great day you all. From: Susan.Quitzau Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2021 10:41 AM To: paairheads at casano.com Subject: Rocker Arms/valve adjustment - (This is a long one, pull up a chair) Hello new friends & Airhead Brethren, (if I may be so bold)? Ride On Baby Ride On! TIA! Susan from NJ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 20210722_100034~2 (002).jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 706508 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From kb2loz at yahoo.com Thu Jul 22 14:50:38 2021 From: kb2loz at yahoo.com (John Chevalaz) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 18:50:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Rocker Arms/valve adjustment - Revealing my frustration, ignorance and revelations & trusting you will not judge In-Reply-To: <000a01d77f12$34407f60$9cc17e20$@gmail.com> References: <000a01d77f12$34407f60$9cc17e20$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1128099578.295780.1626979838204@mail.yahoo.com> congratulation, you are now "one with the valves".and in 2 hours.you can never be to ocd / hypervigilant / whatever in working on your bike.the next time will be that much easier and or when u attend another airhead event you can discuss what u learned. hve fun and ride safe john in the valley On Thursday, July 22, 2021, 11:58:57 AM EDT, susan.quitzau at gmail.com wrote: Disclaimer: The following may make you laugh or shake your head or simply fill up your time? ? Thanks to all your help, I have ?done it?;? adjusted valve clearances on my 1984 R65LS. ? Most of my confusion resolved while hands-on actually following and applying the guiding instruction but I will note that the greatest issue I had/have is lack of confidence; not lack of ability.? Plus, I am neurotic! ? Aiming to be a perfectionists (What the hell? I thought I gave that up a long time ago!), I strive for ?exact? measurements, instruction following, etc. ?Clearly, sometimes the obvious is not so when hypervigilant. ? Well, in addition to my lack of experience and lack comfort from repetition, is my discovery of conflicting information that bumps my confusion and second guessing to the next level of anxiety. For instance: ? - Attempting to Identify the compression (closed) stroke/cylinder while watching and waiting for valves to open and close on either cylinder while ?bumping/turning? rear wheel and peering into small diameter hole looking for OT mark was a challenge for me and gave me the initial angst. ??????????? What I found as my most helpful (ah ha!) in all that I read and subsequently experienced was simply that when OT was viewed through the window, the head with rotatable push rods is the on the compression stroke! Easy peasy as long as the push rods are not bent or otherwise resistant. ? ??????????? Also, after adjusting the left cylinder valve clearances, I simply used the tire stem as my guide to rotating the rear wheel 360 deg and in quick order, found OT and confirmed the right cylinder was in compression stroke by the ease of which I could turn the push rods. ? - Feeler Gauges with Go-No-Go are cool. ?However when one has not used feelers with a range of measurement (not just singular metric and inch measurement stamps) and nothing tells you that the initial insertion is the first number in the range and the step up in size is the end range; what should be obvious and logical isn?t always to the conscientious mind. (that clearly over thinks things! Guilty!) ? - Add further confusion to this already confused girl New-to-valve adjusting person ? trying to make sense of advice to set intake clearance to .10 and exhaust clearance to .20 or in the same instruction, written otherwise as .006? intake and .010? exhaust or even ?intake 6mm? and ?exhaust 8mm?.? Oh boy. ? And Then more uncertainty abounds by checking the R65LS manual which says after first 600 miles the valve clearances are:? ?Inlet: 0.05 mm (0.002 in) Outlet 0.20 mm (0.008 in). Info on measurements are close but varied enough that when you don?t know how much the small differences matter, it dwindles confidence and or delays completion. (add the mystique of German perfection and runs like a Swiss clock vs it?s all an illusion ? sorry, don?t mind me?that?s subject for another discussion J ) ? And so, I made my best first attempt at adjusting my airhead valves whereas the best part isn?t just that I have the satisfaction of having done it, but that I have a better understanding of how & why to do it and am not so reluctant in re-doing or re-checking next time. ? For those who might be wondering ? No, I did not loosen and retorque the rocker shaft end play nuts.? I?m leaving them well enough alone. The nuts are tight with no excessive or up & down movement in the rockers. ? Now, before you conclude that I?ve got too much time on my hands for too much thinking, I?ll tell you that I did all that between 10-12 pm last night after a full day?s work. ?Some would call that passion. ? Geez ? shut up already Susan! ? Have a great day you all. ? ? ? ? From: Susan.Quitzau Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2021 10:41 AM To: paairheads at casano.com Subject: Rocker Arms/valve adjustment - (This is a long one, pull up a chair) ? Hello new friends & Airhead Brethren, (if I may be so bold)? ? Ride On Baby Ride On! TIA! Susan from NJ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From drbeemer73 at gmail.com Thu Jul 22 16:32:12 2021 From: drbeemer73 at gmail.com (Mac Kirkpatrick) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 13:32:12 -0700 Subject: Rocker Arms/valve adjustment - Revealing my frustration, ignorance and revelations & trusting you will not judge In-Reply-To: <1128099578.295780.1626979838204@mail.yahoo.com> References: <000a01d77f12$34407f60$9cc17e20$@gmail.com> <1128099578.295780.1626979838204@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Susan, congratulations on all you have learned and your success. A suggestion: To find out how a feeler gauge should ?feel?when it is pulled thru, take a micrometer and set it for, say 10 thousandths. Then take the same size feeler gauge and pull it by the micrometer. That is how it should feel when setting valves. BTW any size will work. And I can?t trim this thread, sorry. Mac Kirkpatrick On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 11:51 John Chevalaz via PAAirheads < paairheads at casano.com> wrote: > congratulation, you are now "one with the valves". > and in 2 hours. > you can never be to ocd / hypervigilant / whatever in working on your bike. > the next time will be that much easier and or when u attend another > airhead event you can discuss what u learned. > > hve fun and ride safe > > john in the valley > > On Thursday, July 22, 2021, 11:58:57 AM EDT, susan.quitzau at gmail.com < > susan.quitzau at gmail.com> wrote: > > > *Disclaimer: The following may make you laugh or shake your head or simply > fill up your time?* > > > > *Thanks to all your help, I have ?done it?; adjusted valve clearances on > my 1984 R65LS.* > > > > *Most of my confusion resolved while hands-on actually following and > applying the guiding instruction but I will note that the greatest issue I > had/have is lack of confidence; not lack of ability. Plus, I am neurotic!* > > > > *Aiming to be a perfectionists (What the hell? I thought I gave that up a > long time ago!), I strive for ?exact? measurements, instruction following, > etc. Clearly, sometimes the obvious is not so when hypervigilant.* > > > > *Well, in addition to my lack of experience and lack comfort from > repetition, is my discovery of conflicting information that bumps my > confusion and second guessing to the next level of anxiety.* > > *For instance:* > > > > 1. *Attempting to Identify the compression (closed) stroke/cylinder > while watching and waiting for valves to open and close on either cylinder > while ?bumping/turning? rear wheel and peering into small diameter hole > looking for OT mark was a challenge for me and gave me the initial angst.* > > * What I found as my most helpful (ah ha!) in all that I read > and subsequently experienced was simply that when OT was viewed through the > window, the head with rotatable push rods is the on the compression stroke! > Easy peasy as long as the push rods are not bent or otherwise resistant.* > > > > * Also, after adjusting the left cylinder valve clearances, I > simply used the tire stem as my guide to rotating the rear wheel 360 deg > and in quick order, found OT and confirmed the right cylinder was in > compression stroke by the ease of which I could turn the push rods.* > > > > 1. *Feeler Gauges with Go-No-Go are cool. However when one has not > used feelers with a range of measurement (not just singular metric and inch > measurement stamps) and nothing tells you that the initial insertion is the > first number in the range and the step up in size is the end range; what > should be obvious and logical isn?t always to the conscientious mind. (that > clearly over thinks things! Guilty!)* > > > > 1. *Add further confusion to this already confused girl New-to-valve > adjusting person ? trying to make sense of advice to set intake clearance > to .10 and exhaust clearance to .20 or in the same instruction, written > otherwise as .006? intake and .010? exhaust or even ?intake 6mm? and > ?exhaust 8mm?. Oh boy.* > > > > *And Then more uncertainty abounds by checking the R65LS manual which says > after first 600 miles the valve clearances are: ?Inlet: 0.05 mm (0.002 in) > Outlet 0.20 mm (0.008 in). * > > *Info on measurements are close but varied enough that when you don?t know > how much the small differences matter, it dwindles confidence and or delays > completion. (add the mystique of German perfection and runs like a Swiss > clock vs it?s all an illusion ? sorry, don?t mind me?that?s subject for > another discussion **J** )* > > > > *And so, I made my best first attempt at adjusting my airhead valves > whereas the best part isn?t just that I have the satisfaction of having > done it, but that I have a better understanding of how & why to do it and > am not so reluctant in re-doing or re-checking next time.* > > > > *For those who might be wondering ? No, I did not loosen and retorque the > rocker shaft end play nuts. I?m leaving them well enough alone. 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Then take the same size feeler gauge and pull it by the micrometer.?That is how it should feel when setting valves.?BTW any size will work.? And I can?t trim this thread, sorry.? Mac Kirkpatrick? On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 11:51 John Chevalaz via PAAirheads wrote: congratulation, you are now "one with the valves".and in 2 hours.you can never be to ocd / hypervigilant / whatever in working on your bike.the next time will be that much easier and or when u attend another airhead event you can discuss what u learned. hve fun and ride safe john in the valley On Thursday, July 22, 2021, 11:58:57 AM EDT, susan.quitzau at gmail.com wrote: Disclaimer: The following may make you laugh or shake your head or simply fill up your time? ? Thanks to all your help, I have ?done it?;? adjusted valve clearances on my 1984 R65LS. ? Most of my confusion resolved while hands-on actually following and applying the guiding instruction but I will note that the greatest issue I had/have is lack of confidence; not lack of ability.? Plus, I am neurotic! ? Aiming to be a perfectionists (What the hell? I thought I gave that up a long time ago!), I strive for ?exact? measurements, instruction following, etc.? Clearly, sometimes the obvious is not so when hypervigilant. ? Well, in addition to my lack of experience and lack comfort from repetition, is my discovery of conflicting information that bumps my confusion and second guessing to the next level of anxiety. For instance: ? - Attempting to Identify the compression (closed) stroke/cylinder while watching and waiting for valves to open and close on either cylinder while ?bumping/turning? rear wheel and peering into small diameter hole looking for OT mark was a challenge for me and gave me the initial angst. ??????????? What I found as my most helpful (ah ha!) in all that I read and subsequently experienced was simply that when OT was viewed through the window, the head with rotatable push rods is the on the compression stroke! Easy peasy as long as the push rods are not bent or otherwise resistant. ? ??????????? Also, after adjusting the left cylinder valve clearances, I simply used the tire stem as my guide to rotating the rear wheel 360 deg and in quick order, found OT and confirmed the right cylinder was in compression stroke by the ease of which I could turn the push rods. ? - Feeler Gauges with Go-No-Go are cool.? However when one has not used feelers with a range of measurement (not just singular metric and inch measurement stamps) and nothing tells you that the initial insertion is the first number in the range and the step up in size is the end range; what should be obvious and logical isn?t always to the conscientious mind. (that clearly over thinks things! Guilty!) ? - Add further confusion to this already confused girl New-to-valve adjusting person ? trying to make sense of advice to set intake clearance to .10 and exhaust clearance to .20 or in the same instruction, written otherwise as .006? intake and .010? exhaust or even ?intake 6mm? and ?exhaust 8mm?.? Oh boy. ? And Then more uncertainty abounds by checking the R65LS manual which says after first 600 miles the valve clearances are:? ?Inlet: 0.05 mm (0.002 in) Outlet 0.20 mm (0.008 in). Info on measurements are close but varied enough that when you don?t know how much the small differences matter, it dwindles confidence and or delays completion. (add the mystique of German perfection and runs like a Swiss clock vs it?s all an illusion ? sorry, don?t mind me?that?s subject for another discussion J ) ? And so, I made my best first attempt at adjusting my airhead valves whereas the best part isn?t just that I have the satisfaction of having done it, but that I have a better understanding of how & why to do it and am not so reluctant in re-doing or re-checking next time. ? For those who might be wondering ? No, I did not loosen and retorque the rocker shaft end play nuts.? I?m leaving them well enough alone. The nuts are tight with no excessive or up & down movement in the rockers. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -- Mac KirkpatrickGlenmoore, PA "After all, what is adventure, but inconvenience, properly regarded?" C. Donahue -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From susan.quitzau at gmail.com Thu Jul 22 21:30:37 2021 From: susan.quitzau at gmail.com (susan.quitzau at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 21:30:37 -0400 Subject: Rocker Arms/valve adjustment - Revealing my frustration, ignorance and revelations & trusting you will not judge In-Reply-To: <1972216787.361260.1626995874314@mail.yahoo.com> References: <000a01d77f12$34407f60$9cc17e20$@gmail.com> <1128099578.295780.1626979838204@mail.yahoo.com> <1972216787.361260.1626995874314@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000f01d77f62$57a03a40$06e0aec0$@gmail.com> You guys are a hoot and it pleases my senses to know I am not alone in my quandaries! I send many thanks to all who replied to me directly and apologize this moment for having not replied as personally back to each of you. I did get all your kind and informative messages, Thanks so much. So, when are we going riding? Susan Q P.S. RED & I got out for 50+ miles this afternoon ? good ride, nice day, no humidity! From: John Chevalaz Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2021 7:18 PM To: Mac Kirkpatrick Cc: paairheads at casano.com; susan.quitzau at gmail.com Subject: Re: Rocker Arms/valve adjustment - Revealing my frustration, ignorance and revelations & trusting you will not judge Mac, I have a micrometer and will do what u say so i can stop flipping out abt what is a real measurement or what is me thinking too much. Recently we bought a Kawisaki Mule 700 cc that needed a valve measurement at 100 hrs. Easy to get at the valves but again i returned to "am i doing it right" I thought i did with the go . no go gauges. But still festered over if it was correct. Oh and i wipe all oil so as to get a good feel. Bottom line is a friend said they were a o k. But I'll do the micrometer. FYI I have a nice one from sears that was cheap. Also have the one from Todd Byrum that was won at a Tent Float. Although plastic and hard on the eyes, its somwhat reliable. over and out John C KB2LOZ On Thursday, July 22, 2021, 4:32:24 PM EDT, Mac Kirkpatrick > wrote: Hi Susan, congratulations on all you have learned and your success. A suggestion: To find out how a feeler gauge should ?feel?when it is pulled thru, take a micrometer and set it for, say 10 thousandths. Then take the same size feeler gauge and pull it by the micrometer. That is how it should feel when setting valves. BTW any size will work. And I can?t trim this thread, sorry. Mac Kirkpatrick On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 11:51 John Chevalaz via PAAirheads > wrote: congratulation, you are now "one with the valves". and in 2 hours. you can never be to ocd / hypervigilant / whatever in working on your bike. the next time will be that much easier and or when u attend another airhead event you can discuss what u learned. hve fun and ride safe john in the valley On Thursday, July 22, 2021, 11:58:57 AM EDT, susan.quitzau at gmail.com > wrote: Disclaimer: The following may make you laugh or shake your head or simply fill up your time? Thanks to all your help,?. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kb2loz at yahoo.com Fri Jul 23 06:34:56 2021 From: kb2loz at yahoo.com (John Chevalaz) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2021 10:34:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Rocker Arms/valve adjustment - Revealing my frustration, ignorance and revelations & trusting you will not judge In-Reply-To: <000f01d77f62$57a03a40$06e0aec0$@gmail.com> References: <000a01d77f12$34407f60$9cc17e20$@gmail.com> <1128099578.295780.1626979838204@mail.yahoo.com> <1972216787.361260.1626995874314@mail.yahoo.com> <000f01d77f62$57a03a40$06e0aec0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1472753156.448678.1627036496659@mail.yahoo.com> at the RA rally thats coming up next month in NC On Thursday, July 22, 2021, 9:31:14 PM EDT, susan.quitzau at gmail.com wrote: You guys are a hoot and it pleases my senses to know I am not alone in my quandaries! ? I send many thanks to all who replied to me directly and apologize this moment for having not replied as personally back to each of you. I did get all your kind and informative messages, Thanks so much. ? So, when are we going riding? ?? Susan Q ? P.S. RED & I got out for 50+ miles this afternoon ? good ride, nice day, no humidity! ? From: John Chevalaz Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2021 7:18 PM To: Mac Kirkpatrick Cc: paairheads at casano.com; susan.quitzau at gmail.com Subject: Re: Rocker Arms/valve adjustment - Revealing my frustration, ignorance and revelations & trusting you will not judge ? Mac, I have a micrometer and will do what u say so i can stop flipping out abt what is a real measurement or what is me thinking too much. Recently we bought a Kawisaki Mule 700 cc that needed a valve measurement at 100 hrs. Easy to get at the valves but again i returned to "am i doing it right" I thought i did with the go . no go gauges. But still festered over if it was correct. Oh and i wipe all oil so as to get a good feel. Bottom line is a friend said they were a o k. But I'll do the micrometer. FYI I have a nice one from sears that was cheap. Also have the one from Todd Byrum that was won at a Tent Float. Although plastic and hard on the eyes, its somwhat reliable. ? over and out ? John C KB2LOZ ? On Thursday, July 22, 2021, 4:32:24 PM EDT, Mac Kirkpatrick wrote: ? ? Hi Susan, congratulations on all you have learned and your success.? A suggestion: To find out how a feeler gauge should ?feel?when it is pulled thru, take a micrometer and set it for, say 10 thousandths. Then take the same size feeler gauge and pull it by the micrometer.? That is how it should feel when setting valves.? BTW any size will work.? ? And I can?t trim this thread, sorry.? ? Mac Kirkpatrick? ? On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 11:51 John Chevalaz via PAAirheads wrote: congratulation, you are now "one with the valves". and in 2 hours. you can never be to ocd / hypervigilant / whatever in working on your bike. the next time will be that much easier and or when u attend another airhead event you can discuss what u learned. ? hve fun and ride safe ? john in the valley ? On Thursday, July 22, 2021, 11:58:57 AM EDT, susan.quitzau at gmail.com wrote: ? ? Disclaimer: The following may make you laugh or shake your head or simply fill up your time? ? Thanks to all your help,?. ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From susan.quitzau at gmail.com Fri Jul 23 22:20:58 2021 From: susan.quitzau at gmail.com (susan.quitzau at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2021 22:20:58 -0400 Subject: Riding and Rallying Message-ID: <000201d78032$8b213b50$a163b1f0$@gmail.com> The RA is probably a must do! Already Signed up and looking forward to: The Vintage BMW Motorcycle Owners club rally will be held in Harleysville, Pennsylvania on the dates, 30 September thru 3 October 2021. From: John Chevalaz Sent: Friday, July 23, 2021 6:35 AM To: paairheads at casano.com; susan.quitzau at gmail.com Subject: Re: Rocker Arms/valve adjustment - Revealing my frustration, ignorance and revelations & trusting you will not judge at the RA rally thats coming up next month in NC -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kb2loz at yahoo.com Sat Jul 24 07:59:11 2021 From: kb2loz at yahoo.com (John Chevalaz) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2021 11:59:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Assistance In-Reply-To: <298724676.582820.1627061591243@mail.yahoo.com> References: <202107221722.16MHM526089874@mail.casano.com> <230316957.361206.1627050258768@mail.yahoo.com> <298724676.582820.1627061591243@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1490679827.700537.1627127951345@mail.yahoo.com> Its all about the filthy lucre and everyones desire for more of it. John C On Friday, July 23, 2021, 1:33:49 PM EDT, Michael Cecchini via PAAirheads wrote: I could be mistaken, but this person asked me to send her a couple gift cards and she'd "pay me later when she got home".? ? Sound familiar?? Careful out there.? -----Original Message----- From: Timothy DuBon via PAAirheads To: paairheads at casano.com ; jbrhodes1 at hotmail.com Sent: Fri, Jul 23, 2021 10:24 am Subject: Re: Assistance Yes.? On Thursday, July 22, 2021, 01:22:25 PM EDT, JEFFREY RHODES wrote: Hope all is well?May i ask you a favor?Thanks,Bonnie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrc.engr at verizon.net Sat Jul 24 22:08:10 2021 From: mrc.engr at verizon.net (Michael Cecchini) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2021 02:08:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Assistance In-Reply-To: <1490679827.700537.1627127951345@mail.yahoo.com> References: <202107221722.16MHM526089874@mail.casano.com> <230316957.361206.1627050258768@mail.yahoo.com> <298724676.582820.1627061591243@mail.yahoo.com> <1490679827.700537.1627127951345@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1492174788.885368.1627178890689@mail.yahoo.com> True. Seems far too many Americans are so easy to dupe.? ******************************************************************************** From: John Chevalaz? Its all about the filthy lucre and everyones desire for more of it. *************************************************** Michael Cecchini wrote: I could be mistaken, but this person asked me to send her a couple gift cards and she'd "pay me later when she got home".? ? Sound familiar?? Careful out there.? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mtbrider150 at gmail.com Sat Jul 24 23:58:44 2021 From: mtbrider150 at gmail.com (clayton wheaton) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2021 23:58:44 -0400 Subject: Looking for help in the shop. Message-ID: <49264802-2BFD-4B31-BF33-1B753296402C@gmail.com> Hello fellow airheads, I?m looking to hire an experienced airhead tech/enthusiast, and a general assistant here in the shop ASAP. I?ve been extremely busy and with more work coming in over the next few weeks/months it?s proving to be too much for just myself. If you or someone you know would be a good fit please feel free to give me a call at 484-693-0084. Thanks very much! -Clayton Wheaton Wheaton Motorwerks Downingtown PA 19335. Wheatonmotorwerks.com From paairhead at gmail.com Sun Jul 25 22:15:08 2021 From: paairhead at gmail.com (rob) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2021 22:15:08 -0400 Subject: REMINDER: Red Rock Rally Message-ID: Hey KIds, Here's the reminder email for the Red Rock Rally. We're gonna try something new this year! The Red Rock Rally will be July 30-August 1 2021 at the Mill Race Golf and Camp Resort. https://www.millracegolf.com/ Cost is $25 for each night of camping. This is a special rate we have arranged with the resort owners. Please mention PA Airheads and "check in" after 2pm. There is a restaurant/bar at the resort as well as many other places to eat/drink in the surrounding area. This is pretty much a DIY rally There are many beautiful roads nearby to explore. Bring your rod for fishing, play a round of golf and/or enjoy the wonderful Benton area.Bill's Old Bike Barn is nearby too! 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