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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Mac,</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I have a micrometer and will do what u say so i can stop flipping out abt what is a real measurement or what is me thinking too much.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Recently we bought a Kawisaki Mule 700 cc that needed a valve measurement at 100 hrs.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Easy to get at the valves but again i returned to "am i doing it right"</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I thought i did with the go . no go gauges.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">But still festered over if it was correct.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Oh and i wipe all oil so as to get a good feel.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Bottom line is a friend said they were a o k.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">But I'll do the micrometer.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">FYI I have a nice one from sears that was cheap.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Also have the one from Todd Byrum that was won at a Tent Float.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Although plastic and hard on the eyes, its somwhat reliable.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">over and out</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">John C KB2LOZ<br></div><div><br></div>
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On Thursday, July 22, 2021, 4:32:24 PM EDT, Mac Kirkpatrick <drbeemer73@gmail.com> wrote:
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<div><div id="ydp8b08bcceyiv5203770195"><div><div>Hi Susan, congratulations on all you have learned and your success. </div><div>A suggestion:</div><div>To find out how a feeler gauge should “feel”when it is pulled thru, take a micrometer and set it for, say 10 thousandths. Then take the same size feeler gauge and pull it by the micrometer. </div><div>That is how it should feel when setting valves. </div><div>BTW any size will work. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>And I can’t trim this thread, sorry. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Mac Kirkpatrick </div><div><br clear="none"><div class="ydp8b08bcceyiv5203770195gmail_quote"><div class="ydp8b08bcceyiv5203770195yqt7696609491" id="ydp8b08bcceyiv5203770195yqtfd46270"><div class="ydp8b08bcceyiv5203770195gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 11:51 John Chevalaz via PAAirheads <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:paairheads@casano.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">paairheads@casano.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div></div><blockquote class="ydp8b08bcceyiv5203770195gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);"><div class="ydp8b08bcceyiv5203770195yqt7696609491" id="ydp8b08bcceyiv5203770195yqtfd46307"><div><div style="font-family:new times, serif;font-size:16px;"><div style="font-family:new times, serif;"></div>
<div dir="ltr" style="font-family:new times, serif;">congratulation, you are now "one with the valves".</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:new times, serif;">and in 2 hours.</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:new times, serif;">you can never be to ocd / hypervigilant / whatever in working on your bike.</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:new times, serif;">the next time will be that much easier and or when u attend another airhead event you can discuss what u learned.</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:new times, serif;"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:new times, serif;">hve fun and ride safe</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:new times, serif;"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:new times, serif;">john in the valley<br clear="none"></div><div style="font-family:new times, serif;"><br clear="none"></div>
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On Thursday, July 22, 2021, 11:58:57 AM EDT, <a shape="rect" href="mailto:susan.quitzau@gmail.com" style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">susan.quitzau@gmail.com</a> <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:susan.quitzau@gmail.com" style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">susan.quitzau@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
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</div><div style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><div id="ydp8b08bcceyiv5203770195m_2789726386335280780ydpdab2ee0fyiv9887707359" style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><div style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><div style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><div class="ydp8b08bcceyiv5203770195yqt7696609491" id="ydp8b08bcceyiv5203770195yqtfd46036"><p style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><i style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Disclaimer: The following may make you laugh or shake your head or simply fill up your time…</span></i></p><p style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><i style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"> </span></i></p><p style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><i style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Thanks to all your help, I have “done it”; adjusted valve clearances on my 1984 R65LS.</span></i></p><p style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><i style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"> </span></i></p><p style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><i style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Most of my confusion resolved while hands-on actually following and applying the guiding instruction but I will note that the greatest issue I had/have is lack of confidence; not lack of ability. Plus, I am neurotic!</span></i></p><p style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><i style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"> </span></i></p><p style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><i style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Aiming to be a perfectionists (What the hell? I thought I gave that up a long time ago!), I strive for “exact” measurements, instruction following, etc. Clearly, sometimes the obvious is not so when hypervigilant.</span></i></p><p style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><i style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"> </span></i></p><p style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><i style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Well, in addition to my lack of experience and lack comfort from repetition, is my discovery of conflicting information that bumps my confusion and second guessing to the next level of anxiety.</span></i></p><p style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><i style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">For instance:</span></i></p><p style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><i style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"> </span></i></p><ol style="margin-top:0in;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;" type="1" start="1"><li style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><i style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Attempting to Identify the compression (closed) stroke/cylinder while watching and waiting for valves to open and close on either cylinder while “bumping/turning” rear wheel and peering into small diameter hole looking for OT mark was a challenge for me and gave me the initial angst.</span></i></li></ol><p style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><i style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"> <b style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">What I found as my most helpful (ah ha!) in all that I read and subsequently experienced was simply that when OT was viewed through the window, <u style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">the head with rotatable push rods is the on the compression stroke</u>! Easy peasy as long as the push rods are not bent or otherwise resistant.</b></span></i></p><p style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><b style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><i style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"> </span></i></b></p><p style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><b style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><i style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"> Also, after adjusting the left cylinder valve clearances, I simply used the tire stem as my guide to rotating the rear wheel 360 deg and in quick order, found OT and confirmed the right cylinder was in compression stroke by the ease of which I could turn the push rods.</span></i></b></p><p style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><i style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"> </span></i></p><ol style="margin-top:0in;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;" type="1" start="2"><li style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><i style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Feeler Gauges with Go-No-Go are cool. However when one has not used feelers with a range of measurement (not just singular metric and inch measurement stamps) and nothing tells you that the initial insertion is the first number in the range and the step up in size is the end range; what should be obvious and logical isn’t always to the conscientious mind. (that clearly over thinks things! Guilty!)</span></i></li></ol><p style="margin-left:0.25in;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><i style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"> </span></i></p><ol style="margin-top:0in;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;" type="1" start="3"><li style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><i style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Add further confusion to this already confused <s style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">girl</s> New-to-valve adjusting person – trying to make sense of advice to set intake clearance to .10 and exhaust clearance to .20 <u style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">or</u> in the same instruction, written otherwise as .006” intake and .010” exhaust <u style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">or</u> even “intake 6mm” and “exhaust 8mm”. Oh boy.</span></i></li></ol><p style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><i style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"> </span></i></p><p style="margin-left:0.5in;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><i style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">And Then more uncertainty abounds by checking the R65LS manual which says after first 600 miles the valve clearances are: “Inlet: 0.05 mm (0.002 in) Outlet 0.20 mm (0.008 in). </span></i></p><p style="margin-left:0.5in;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><i style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Info on measurements are close but varied enough that when you don’t know how much the small differences matter, it dwindles confidence and or delays completion. (add the mystique of German perfection and runs like a Swiss clock vs it’s all an illusion … sorry, don’t mind me…that’s subject for another discussion </span></i><i style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Wingdings;">J</span></i><i style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"> )</span></i></p><p style="margin-left:0.5in;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><i style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"> </span></i></p><p style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><i style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">And so, I made my best first attempt at adjusting my airhead valves whereas the best part isn’t just that I have the satisfaction of having done it, but that I have a better understanding of how & why to do it and am not so reluctant in re-doing or re-checking next time.</span></i></p><p style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><i style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"> </span></i></p><p style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><i style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">For those who might be wondering – No, I did not loosen and retorque the rocker shaft end play nuts. I’m leaving them well enough alone. The nuts are tight with no excessive or up & down movement in the rockers.</span></i></p></div><p style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"> </p><div style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><div style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><div style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><p style="margin-left:0.5in;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"> </p></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><p style="margin-left:0.5in;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"> </p></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><p style="margin-left:0.5in;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"> </p></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><p style="margin-left:0.5in;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"> </p></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><p style="margin-left:0.5in;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"> </p></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><p style="margin-left:0.5in;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"> </p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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