From dud at casano.com  Tue Feb 16 15:31:57 2021
From: dud at casano.com (William F. Dudley Jr.)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 16:31:57 -0400
Subject: mailing list change -- again
Message-ID: <20210216203049.M66588@casano.com>

The mailing list that I thought would work for us is actually unusable.

Please use dvnr at casano.com in the future.  FORGET the other one.

Thanks,
Bill Dudley
list admin
webmaster, DVNR




From g_roetenberg at msn.com  Tue Feb 16 19:19:04 2021
From: g_roetenberg at msn.com (GEORGE)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 00:19:04 +0000
Subject: DVNR February Update
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Wow, Dave wrote more in one email than I did in 4 years.  Think best to postpone gathering decision to April meeting.  April should be no problem to resume open air meetings.  We did have a nice meeting at Classic Cycle when Dan was running it.  I just told the grocery/restaurant next door advance notice there would be a large crowd and they were great about food orders.
Not as ambitious as Eric, but did try out Don Pender's 13mm sleeve kit on a master with a pitted bore.  Brake is less wooden but no great improvement.
Hope all are safe and COVID free.

George

________________________________
From: David Behnken <davidebehnken at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 12:07 AM
To: DVNR email list <dvnr at casano.com>
Subject: DVNR February Update

Hello DVNR members,

I hope this finds everyone healthy and well.  After the last few months we've had, I'm sure most of us are tired of either the cold, the snow or probably both. As we're now half way through February, hopefully warmer temperatures aren't too far off and the snow may begin to recede.  Maybe we'll get lucky and it'll even stop snowing at some point too.

I wanted to drop a note to update everyone about current events and near future activities.  I spoke with our contact at the State Park in mid-January.  He said to check back with him at the end of February to confirm, but it was almost guaranteed that the park will NOT be available to us in April if we wanted to try to hold a Gathering of the Nortons event.  I'm sure no one is surprised.

As such, we have a few options for the 2021 Gathering of the Nortons event: 1) cancel the event for the year 2) postpone it until later in 2021. I don't think it's a good idea or even a viable option to try to hold the event in April at another location for several reasons -- we'll never get anyone's permission, liability, who's comfortable attending and the list goes on.

I've spoken with Todd Robertson who, along with me, has been hosting spring meetings and neither of us think it's a great idea to hold a March meeting in our houses.  As an alternative, I thought I'd throw out Dan Sellers' idea of seeing if the club was interested in finding a restaurant or diner that would give us a room for a meeting.  I know the Spinning Wheel Diner by us in the Somerset & Hunterdon County area of Jersey has a room that can probably be requested, but I'm sure there are more central locations around the majority of the members.  I'll let you guys make suggestions if you know of options.  Hopefully we'll be able to arrange something for those who wish to get together in a group setting.

I picked up a few brackets from Dave at Classic Cycle in Baptistown last Friday.  He asked what the club was doing for the Gathering and I told him basically what I said above.  He's not able to offer his shop for a Gathering of the Nortons size event, but said we were welcome to have a club get together at his shop on the third Sunday of April if we wanted.  Due to limited space, he said no cars, bikes only.  The deli across the street has good food too.  He also mentioned that it would work out great for him as he was planning on bringing his Model 18(?) to the Gathering if it had worked out.  This way he didn't even have to move it to display it.  It's a beautiful bike for those who haven't seen it.

So, if we aren't able to plan something for March, we have something on the books for April whereby we can get together and have a discussion regarding what we want to do for the 2021 Gathering of the Nortons.  What I'd like to do is have a discussion in a group setting in March and/or April to hash out the ideas members have and then probably put out a poll to choose a plan. If we do a poll, those who aren't able to attend or would prefer not to meet up in a group setting still have a voice.  I'm trying to avoid a prolonged chain of back and forth emails where everybody throws out their ideas at once and it usually ends up feeling like being in a room where everyone talks at once and nobody hears anything.  Fingers crossed.  In short, we'll figure out what the members want to do with the Gathering in either March or April.

As it's cold, snowy, nasty out and the roads are an icy/salty mess, now's the time to do the bike preparation and maintenance that you always say you're not going to put off and do before it's a scramble in April before the Gathering.  The oil's almost guaranteed to be in the sump, is it due for a change? New oil filter?  That's pretty easy.  How about the gearbox and primary?  When was the last time you changed it?  If your memory is as bad as mine, it's probably twice as long as you're guestimating it is.  That's the low hanging fruit - when's the last time you changed your fork oil?  I've never bought a used bike and not found the forks to have about an inch of peanut butter thick sludge in the bottom.  Not the best for bushings or ride quality.  Brake fluid?  Couldn't hurt, right?  If you get on a roll there's always the swing arm - 140 weight oil or grease (depending on your school of thought).  Fuel and carbs ready?  That's just the fluids.  How's the battery?  If it's not on a tender or won't hold a charge, now's the time to get a new one. Any fixes you've been putting off?  How's the wiring harness?  And then there's everyone's favorite topic: Tires.   When's the last time you took a GOOD look at them for cracked sidewalls, wear and age?  They're the only thing between you and the road and the ability to stop and turn sure is nice..... Now's the time to get some new ones if needed!

Speaking of tires, I've attached a few pics of the tires I recently took off a new-to-me bike.  As you can see, the tread looks good and they are only about 5 years old.  I didn't see any significant cracking of the sidewalls and they were still relatively soft.  However, I decided to play it safe and replace them.  The tiny round pellets of rubber and silica(?) that you see in the pics were inside the tires; that's exactly how they looked when they came off the rims. I'd never seen that before.  From what I learned from my bike shop guy who was a MSF instructor for many years, it's the inside of the tire coming apart from being ridden at too low of pressure.  The tire was failing from the inside out. My guy said he used to keep a small glass jar of the pellets to show the people in his class what could happen to their tires if they didn't check the air pressure.  Crazy stuff.  Glad I bought the new tires.

Stay warm and be well!

David B
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From ducdude at verizon.net  Tue Feb 16 19:54:40 2021
From: ducdude at verizon.net (ducdude)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 19:54:40 -0500
Subject: DVNR February Update
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Hi George,

It was not ambition it is boredom.  I am desperately looking for things to fix to keep my mind and hands occupied while I cant ride.  I must be done but the time the weather changes or then I will be wasting good riding days..:-)

Wrench Safely,
Eric 

From: GEORGE 
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2021 19:19
To: David Behnken ; DVNR email list 
Subject: Re: DVNR February Update

Wow, Dave wrote more in one email than I did in 4 years.  Think best to postpone gathering decision to April meeting.  April should be no problem to resume open air meetings.  We did have a nice meeting at Classic Cycle when Dan was running it.  I just told the grocery/restaurant next door advance notice there would be a large crowd and they were great about food orders.

Not as ambitious as Eric, but did try out Don Pender's 13mm sleeve kit on a master with a pitted bore.  Brake is less wooden but no great improvement.   

Hope all are safe and COVID free.

George


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From: David Behnken <davidebehnken at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 12:07 AM
To: DVNR email list <dvnr at casano.com>
Subject: DVNR February Update 

Hello DVNR members, 

I hope this finds everyone healthy and well.  After the last few months we've had, I'm sure most of us are tired of either the cold, the snow or probably both. As we're now half way through February, hopefully warmer temperatures aren't too far off and the snow may begin to recede.  Maybe we'll get lucky and it'll even stop snowing at some point too.  

I wanted to drop a note to update everyone about current events and near future activities.  I spoke with our contact at the State Park in mid-January.  He said to check back with him at the end of February to confirm, but it was almost guaranteed that the park will NOT be available to us in April if we wanted to try to hold a Gathering of the Nortons event.  I'm sure no one is surprised. 

As such, we have a few options for the 2021 Gathering of the Nortons event: 1) cancel the event for the year 2) postpone it until later in 2021. I don't think it's a good idea or even a viable option to try to hold the event in April at another location for several reasons -- we'll never get anyone's permission, liability, who's comfortable attending and the list goes on.  

I've spoken with Todd Robertson who, along with me, has been hosting spring meetings and neither of us think it's a great idea to hold a March meeting in our houses.  As an alternative, I thought I'd throw out Dan Sellers' idea of seeing if the club was interested in finding a restaurant or diner that would give us a room for a meeting.  I know the Spinning Wheel Diner by us in the Somerset & Hunterdon County area of Jersey has a room that can probably be requested, but I'm sure there are more central locations around the majority of the members.  I'll let you guys make suggestions if you know of options.  Hopefully we'll be able to arrange something for those who wish to get together in a group setting.

I picked up a few brackets from Dave at Classic Cycle in Baptistown last Friday.  He asked what the club was doing for the Gathering and I told him basically what I said above.  He's not able to offer his shop for a Gathering of the Nortons size event, but said we were welcome to have a club get together at his shop on the third Sunday of April if we wanted.  Due to limited space, he said no cars, bikes only.  The deli across the street has good food too.  He also mentioned that it would work out great for him as he was planning on bringing his Model 18(?) to the Gathering if it had worked out.  This way he didn't even have to move it to display it.  It's a beautiful bike for those who haven't seen it.  

So, if we aren't able to plan something for March, we have something on the books for April whereby we can get together and have a discussion regarding what we want to do for the 2021 Gathering of the Nortons.  What I'd like to do is have a discussion in a group setting in March and/or April to hash out the ideas members have and then probably put out a poll to choose a plan. If we do a poll, those who aren't able to attend or would prefer not to meet up in a group setting still have a voice.  I'm trying to avoid a prolonged chain of back and forth emails where everybody throws out their ideas at once and it usually ends up feeling like being in a room where everyone talks at once and nobody hears anything.  Fingers crossed.  In short, we'll figure out what the members want to do with the Gathering in either March or April. 

As it's cold, snowy, nasty out and the roads are an icy/salty mess, now's the time to do the bike preparation and maintenance that you always say you're not going to put off and do before it's a scramble in April before the Gathering.  The oil's almost guaranteed to be in the sump, is it due for a change? New oil filter?  That's pretty easy.  How about the gearbox and primary?  When was the last time you changed it?  If your memory is as bad as mine, it's probably twice as long as you're guestimating it is.  That's the low hanging fruit - when's the last time you changed your fork oil?  I've never bought a used bike and not found the forks to have about an inch of peanut butter thick sludge in the bottom.  Not the best for bushings or ride quality.  Brake fluid?  Couldn't hurt, right?  If you get on a roll there's always the swing arm - 140 weight oil or grease (depending on your school of thought).  Fuel and carbs ready?  That's just the fluids.  How's the battery?  If it's not on a tender or won't hold a charge, now's the time to get a new one. Any fixes you've been putting off?  How's the wiring harness?  And then there's everyone's favorite topic: Tires.   When's the last time you took a GOOD look at them for cracked sidewalls, wear and age?  They're the only thing between you and the road and the ability to stop and turn sure is nice..... Now's the time to get some new ones if needed!  

Speaking of tires, I've attached a few pics of the tires I recently took off a new-to-me bike.  As you can see, the tread looks good and they are only about 5 years old.  I didn't see any significant cracking of the sidewalls and they were still relatively soft.  However, I decided to play it safe and replace them.  The tiny round pellets of rubber and silica(?) that you see in the pics were inside the tires; that's exactly how they looked when they came off the rims. I'd never seen that before.  From what I learned from my bike shop guy who was a MSF instructor for many years, it's the inside of the tire coming apart from being ridden at too low of pressure.  The tire was failing from the inside out. My guy said he used to keep a small glass jar of the pellets to show the people in his class what could happen to their tires if they didn't check the air pressure.  Crazy stuff.  Glad I bought the new tires.

Stay warm and be well!

David B   
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From spdstr at verizon.net  Wed Feb 17 11:14:17 2021
From: spdstr at verizon.net (Think they are attached)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 16:14:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: DVNR February Update
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More news? ? ? ? We have sold our NJ house to our younger daughter and have bought a house in VT on a dirt road with 18 acres.? Will continue in DVNR as it is a great group.? Maybe when COVID is not an issue we can have a gathering here much like at the hunt club.? Email and cell number remain the same.? Address is 185 Burbee Pond Road? Windham VT 05359. Would welcome any and all who wish to come.??
Bill Casey




-----Original Message-----
From: David Behnken <davidebehnken at gmail.com>
To: DVNR email list <dvnr at casano.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 15, 2021 12:07 am
Subject: DVNR February Update

Hello DVNR members,
I hope this finds everyone healthy and well.? After the last few months we've had, I'm sure most of us are tired of either the cold, the snow or probably both. As we're now half way through February, hopefully warmer temperatures aren't too far off and the snow may begin to recede.? Maybe we'll get lucky and it'll even stop snowing at some point too.??
I wanted to drop a note to update everyone about current events and near future activities.? I spoke with our contact at the State Park in mid-January.? He said to check back with him at the end of February to confirm, but it was almost guaranteed that the park will NOT be available to us in April if we wanted to try to hold a Gathering of the Nortons event.? I'm sure no one is surprised.?
As such, we have a few options for the 2021 Gathering of the Nortons event: 1) cancel the event for the year 2) postpone it until later in 2021. I don't think it's a good idea or even a viable option to try to hold the event in April at another location for several reasons -- we'll never get anyone's permission, liability, who's comfortable attending and the list goes on.??
I've spoken with Todd Robertson who, along with me, has been?hosting spring meetings and neither of us think it's a great idea to hold a March meeting in our houses.? As an alternative, I thought I'd throw out Dan Sellers' idea of seeing if the club was interested in finding a restaurant or diner that would give us a room for a meeting.? I know the Spinning Wheel Diner by us in the Somerset?& Hunterdon County area of Jersey has a room that can probably be requested, but I'm sure there are more central locations around the majority of the members.? I'll let you guys make suggestions if you know of options.? Hopefully we'll be able to arrange something for those who wish to get together in a group setting.
I picked up a few brackets from Dave at Classic Cycle in Baptistown last Friday.? He asked what the club was doing for the Gathering and I told him basically what I said above.? He's not able to offer his shop for a Gathering of the Nortons size event, but said we were welcome to have a club get together at his shop on the third Sunday of April if we wanted.? Due to limited space, he said no cars, bikes only.? The deli across the street has good food too.? He also mentioned that it would work out great for him as he was planning on bringing his Model 18(?) to the Gathering if it had worked out.? This way he didn't even have to move it to display it.? It's a beautiful bike for those who haven't seen it.??
So, if we aren't able to plan something for March, we have something on the books for April whereby we can get together and have a discussion regarding what we want to do for the 2021 Gathering of the Nortons.? What I'd like to do is have a discussion in a group setting in March and/or April to hash out the ideas members have and then probably put out a poll to choose a plan. If we do a poll, those who aren't able to attend or would prefer not to meet up in a group setting still have a voice.? I'm trying to avoid a prolonged chain of back and forth emails where everybody throws out their ideas at once and it usually ends up feeling like being in a room where everyone talks at once and nobody hears anything.? Fingers crossed.? In short, we'll figure out what the members want to do with the Gathering in either March or April.?
As it's cold, snowy, nasty out and the roads are an icy/salty mess, now's the time to do the bike preparation and maintenance that you always say you're not going to put off and do before it's a scramble in April before the Gathering.? The oil's almost guaranteed to be in the sump, is it due for a change? New oil filter?? That's pretty easy.? How about the gearbox and primary?? When was the last time you changed it?? If your memory is as bad as mine, it's probably twice as long as you're guestimating it is.? That's the low hanging fruit - when's the last time you changed your fork oil?? I've never bought a used bike and not found the forks to have about an inch of peanut butter thick sludge in the bottom.? Not the best for bushings or ride quality.? Brake fluid?? Couldn't hurt, right?? If you get on a roll there's always the swing arm - 140 weight oil or grease (depending on your school of thought).? Fuel and carbs ready?? That's just the fluids.? How's the battery?? If it's not on a tender or won't hold a charge, now's the time to get a new one. Any fixes you've been putting off?? How's the wiring harness?? And then there's everyone's favorite topic: Tires.? ?When's the last time you took a GOOD look at them for?cracked sidewalls, wear and age?? They're the only thing between you and the road and the ability to stop and turn sure is nice..... Now's the time to get some new ones if needed!??
Speaking of tires, I've attached a few pics of the tires I recently took off a new-to-me bike.? As you can see, the tread looks good and they are only about 5 years old.? I didn't see any significant cracking of the sidewalls and they were still relatively soft.? However, I decided to play it safe and replace them.? The tiny round pellets of rubber and silica(?) that you see in the pics were inside the tires; that's exactly how they looked when they came off the rims. I'd never seen that before.? From what I learned from my bike shop guy who was a MSF instructor for many years, it's the inside of the tire coming apart from being ridden at too low of pressure.? The tire was failing from the inside out. My guy said he used to keep a small glass jar of the pellets to show the people in his class what could happen to their tires if they didn't check the air pressure.? Crazy stuff.? Glad I bought the new tires.
Stay warm and be well!
David B? ?
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From bsafr at aol.com  Wed Feb 17 12:22:42 2021
From: bsafr at aol.com (bsafr at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 17:22:42 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: DVNR February Update
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Great news and congratulations Bill - have always liked it up there. Have taken a few long bike rides up there and we ski in VT and NH every year. Going up in a couple of weeks actually.
Now all of us in the DVNR can get you to get VT titles for all of our bikes that PennDOT wont easily do - then once we "buy" them back from you, we can get them transferred into PA titles!!
Brian


-----Original Message-----
From: Think they are attached via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com>
To: davidebehnken at gmail.com <davidebehnken at gmail.com>; dvnr at casano.com <dvnr at casano.com>
Sent: Wed, Feb 17, 2021 11:15 am
Subject: Re: DVNR February Update

More news? ? ? ? We have sold our NJ house to our younger daughter and have bought a house in VT on a dirt road with 18 acres.? Will continue in DVNR as it is a great group.? Maybe when COVID is not an issue we can have a gathering here much like at the hunt club.? Email and cell number remain the same.? Address is 185 Burbee Pond Road? Windham VT 05359. Would welcome any and all who wish to come.??
Bill Casey




-----Original Message-----
From: David Behnken <davidebehnken at gmail.com>
To: DVNR email list <dvnr at casano.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 15, 2021 12:07 am
Subject: DVNR February Update

Hello DVNR members,
I hope this finds everyone healthy and well.? After the last few months we've had, I'm sure most of us are tired of either the cold, the snow or probably both. As we're now half way through February, hopefully warmer temperatures aren't too far off and the snow may begin to recede.? Maybe we'll get lucky and it'll even stop snowing at some point too.??
I wanted to drop a note to update everyone about current events and near future activities.? I spoke with our contact at the State Park in mid-January.? He said to check back with him at the end of February to confirm, but it was almost guaranteed that the park will NOT be available to us in April if we wanted to try to hold a Gathering of the Nortons event.? I'm sure no one is surprised.?
As such, we have a few options for the 2021 Gathering of the Nortons event: 1) cancel the event for the year 2) postpone it until later in 2021. I don't think it's a good idea or even a viable option to try to hold the event in April at another location for several reasons -- we'll never get anyone's permission, liability, who's comfortable attending and the list goes on.??
I've spoken with Todd Robertson who, along with me, has been?hosting spring meetings and neither of us think it's a great idea to hold a March meeting in our houses.? As an alternative, I thought I'd throw out Dan Sellers' idea of seeing if the club was interested in finding a restaurant or diner that would give us a room for a meeting.? I know the Spinning Wheel Diner by us in the Somerset?& Hunterdon County area of Jersey has a room that can probably be requested, but I'm sure there are more central locations around the majority of the members.? I'll let you guys make suggestions if you know of options.? Hopefully we'll be able to arrange something for those who wish to get together in a group setting.
I picked up a few brackets from Dave at Classic Cycle in Baptistown last Friday.? He asked what the club was doing for the Gathering and I told him basically what I said above.? He's not able to offer his shop for a Gathering of the Nortons size event, but said we were welcome to have a club get together at his shop on the third Sunday of April if we wanted.? Due to limited space, he said no cars, bikes only.? The deli across the street has good food too.? He also mentioned that it would work out great for him as he was planning on bringing his Model 18(?) to the Gathering if it had worked out.? This way he didn't even have to move it to display it.? It's a beautiful bike for those who haven't seen it.??
So, if we aren't able to plan something for March, we have something on the books for April whereby we can get together and have a discussion regarding what we want to do for the 2021 Gathering of the Nortons.? What I'd like to do is have a discussion in a group setting in March and/or April to hash out the ideas members have and then probably put out a poll to choose a plan. If we do a poll, those who aren't able to attend or would prefer not to meet up in a group setting still have a voice.? I'm trying to avoid a prolonged chain of back and forth emails where everybody throws out their ideas at once and it usually ends up feeling like being in a room where everyone talks at once and nobody hears anything.? Fingers crossed.? In short, we'll figure out what the members want to do with the Gathering in either March or April.?
As it's cold, snowy, nasty out and the roads are an icy/salty mess, now's the time to do the bike preparation and maintenance that you always say you're not going to put off and do before it's a scramble in April before the Gathering.? The oil's almost guaranteed to be in the sump, is it due for a change? New oil filter?? That's pretty easy.? How about the gearbox and primary?? When was the last time you changed it?? If your memory is as bad as mine, it's probably twice as long as you're guestimating it is.? That's the low hanging fruit - when's the last time you changed your fork oil?? I've never bought a used bike and not found the forks to have about an inch of peanut butter thick sludge in the bottom.? Not the best for bushings or ride quality.? Brake fluid?? Couldn't hurt, right?? If you get on a roll there's always the swing arm - 140 weight oil or grease (depending on your school of thought).? Fuel and carbs ready?? That's just the fluids.? How's the battery?? If it's not on a tender or won't hold a charge, now's the time to get a new one. Any fixes you've been putting off?? How's the wiring harness?? And then there's everyone's favorite topic: Tires.? ?When's the last time you took a GOOD look at them for?cracked sidewalls, wear and age?? They're the only thing between you and the road and the ability to stop and turn sure is nice..... Now's the time to get some new ones if needed!??
Speaking of tires, I've attached a few pics of the tires I recently took off a new-to-me bike.? As you can see, the tread looks good and they are only about 5 years old.? I didn't see any significant cracking of the sidewalls and they were still relatively soft.? However, I decided to play it safe and replace them.? The tiny round pellets of rubber and silica(?) that you see in the pics were inside the tires; that's exactly how they looked when they came off the rims. I'd never seen that before.? From what I learned from my bike shop guy who was a MSF instructor for many years, it's the inside of the tire coming apart from being ridden at too low of pressure.? The tire was failing from the inside out. My guy said he used to keep a small glass jar of the pellets to show the people in his class what could happen to their tires if they didn't check the air pressure.? Crazy stuff.? Glad I bought the new tires.
Stay warm and be well!
David B? ?
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From robertnorum1953 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 17 13:50:29 2021
From: robertnorum1953 at gmail.com (Robert Norum)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 13:50:29 -0500
Subject: DVNR February Update
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Congratulations Bill on your piece of paradise- sounds wonderful!
Let us know when the mud road, ummm sorry meant dirt road is paved!

Cheers!

Sent from Bob's iPhone

> On Feb 17, 2021, at 12:23 PM, Brian Safer via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Great news and congratulations Bill - have always liked it up there. Have taken a few long bike rides up there and we ski in VT and NH every year. Going up in a couple of weeks actually.
> 
> Now all of us in the DVNR can get you to get VT titles for all of our bikes that PennDOT wont easily do - then once we "buy" them back from you, we can get them transferred into PA titles!!
> 
> Brian
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Think they are attached via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com>
> To: davidebehnken at gmail.com <davidebehnken at gmail.com>; dvnr at casano.com <dvnr at casano.com>
> Sent: Wed, Feb 17, 2021 11:15 am
> Subject: Re: DVNR February Update
> 
> More news        We have sold our NJ house to our younger daughter and have bought a house in VT on a dirt road with 18 acres.  Will continue in DVNR as it is a great group.  Maybe when COVID is not an issue we can have a gathering here much like at the hunt club.  Email and cell number remain the same.  Address is 185 Burbee Pond Road  Windham VT 05359. Would welcome any and all who wish to come.  
> 
> Bill Casey
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Behnken <davidebehnken at gmail.com>
> To: DVNR email list <dvnr at casano.com>
> Sent: Mon, Feb 15, 2021 12:07 am
> Subject: DVNR February Update
> 
> Hello DVNR members,
> 
> I hope this finds everyone healthy and well.  After the last few months we've had, I'm sure most of us are tired of either the cold, the snow or probably both. As we're now half way through February, hopefully warmer temperatures aren't too far off and the snow may begin to recede.  Maybe we'll get lucky and it'll even stop snowing at some point too.  
> 
> I wanted to drop a note to update everyone about current events and near future activities.  I spoke with our contact at the State Park in mid-January.  He said to check back with him at the end of February to confirm, but it was almost guaranteed that the park will NOT be available to us in April if we wanted to try to hold a Gathering of the Nortons event.  I'm sure no one is surprised. 
> 
> As such, we have a few options for the 2021 Gathering of the Nortons event: 1) cancel the event for the year 2) postpone it until later in 2021. I don't think it's a good idea or even a viable option to try to hold the event in April at another location for several reasons -- we'll never get anyone's permission, liability, who's comfortable attending and the list goes on.  
> 
> I've spoken with Todd Robertson who, along with me, has been hosting spring meetings and neither of us think it's a great idea to hold a March meeting in our houses.  As an alternative, I thought I'd throw out Dan Sellers' idea of seeing if the club was interested in finding a restaurant or diner that would give us a room for a meeting.  I know the Spinning Wheel Diner by us in the Somerset & Hunterdon County area of Jersey has a room that can probably be requested, but I'm sure there are more central locations around the majority of the members.  I'll let you guys make suggestions if you know of options.  Hopefully we'll be able to arrange something for those who wish to get together in a group setting.
> 
> I picked up a few brackets from Dave at Classic Cycle in Baptistown last Friday.  He asked what the club was doing for the Gathering and I told him basically what I said above.  He's not able to offer his shop for a Gathering of the Nortons size event, but said we were welcome to have a club get together at his shop on the third Sunday of April if we wanted.  Due to limited space, he said no cars, bikes only.  The deli across the street has good food too.  He also mentioned that it would work out great for him as he was planning on bringing his Model 18(?) to the Gathering if it had worked out.  This way he didn't even have to move it to display it.  It's a beautiful bike for those who haven't seen it.  
> 
> So, if we aren't able to plan something for March, we have something on the books for April whereby we can get together and have a discussion regarding what we want to do for the 2021 Gathering of the Nortons.  What I'd like to do is have a discussion in a group setting in March and/or April to hash out the ideas members have and then probably put out a poll to choose a plan. If we do a poll, those who aren't able to attend or would prefer not to meet up in a group setting still have a voice.  I'm trying to avoid a prolonged chain of back and forth emails where everybody throws out their ideas at once and it usually ends up feeling like being in a room where everyone talks at once and nobody hears anything.  Fingers crossed.  In short, we'll figure out what the members want to do with the Gathering in either March or April. 
> 
> As it's cold, snowy, nasty out and the roads are an icy/salty mess, now's the time to do the bike preparation and maintenance that you always say you're not going to put off and do before it's a scramble in April before the Gathering.  The oil's almost guaranteed to be in the sump, is it due for a change? New oil filter?  That's pretty easy.  How about the gearbox and primary?  When was the last time you changed it?  If your memory is as bad as mine, it's probably twice as long as you're guestimating it is.  That's the low hanging fruit - when's the last time you changed your fork oil?  I've never bought a used bike and not found the forks to have about an inch of peanut butter thick sludge in the bottom.  Not the best for bushings or ride quality.  Brake fluid?  Couldn't hurt, right?  If you get on a roll there's always the swing arm - 140 weight oil or grease (depending on your school of thought).  Fuel and carbs ready?  That's just the fluids.  How's the battery?  If it's not on a tender or won't hold a charge, now's the time to get a new one. Any fixes you've been putting off?  How's the wiring harness?  And then there's everyone's favorite topic: Tires.   When's the last time you took a GOOD look at them for cracked sidewalls, wear and age?  They're the only thing between you and the road and the ability to stop and turn sure is nice..... Now's the time to get some new ones if needed!  
> 
> Speaking of tires, I've attached a few pics of the tires I recently took off a new-to-me bike.  As you can see, the tread looks good and they are only about 5 years old.  I didn't see any significant cracking of the sidewalls and they were still relatively soft.  However, I decided to play it safe and replace them.  The tiny round pellets of rubber and silica(?) that you see in the pics were inside the tires; that's exactly how they looked when they came off the rims. I'd never seen that before.  From what I learned from my bike shop guy who was a MSF instructor for many years, it's the inside of the tire coming apart from being ridden at too low of pressure.  The tire was failing from the inside out. My guy said he used to keep a small glass jar of the pellets to show the people in his class what could happen to their tires if they didn't check the air pressure.  Crazy stuff.  Glad I bought the new tires.
> 
> Stay warm and be well!
> 
> David B   
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From rcolahan at epix.net  Wed Feb 17 14:47:48 2021
From: rcolahan at epix.net (Richard Colahan)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 14:47:48 -0500
Subject: DVNR February Update
In-Reply-To: <8281DC48-027F-43B5-BA07-819130B0F798@gmail.com>
References: <555852592.2557167.1613582562323@mail.yahoo.com>
 <8281DC48-027F-43B5-BA07-819130B0F798@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DC8F5B56AE7C4B9C897DD0590EE24E67@OwnerPC>

Easy Bob!
Some of us LOVE DR's!
I've done some great dual-sport riding in Vermont and New Hampshire...
Your Buell would be right at home!

And congrats Bill.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Robert Norum 
  To: bsafr at aol.com 
  Cc: dvnr at casano.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2021 1:50 PM
  Subject: Re: DVNR February Update


  Congratulations Bill on your piece of paradise- sounds wonderful!
  Let us know when the mud road, ummm sorry meant dirt road is paved!


  Cheers!


  Sent from Bob's iPhone


    On Feb 17, 2021, at 12:23 PM, Brian Safer via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com> wrote:


    ?
    Great news and congratulations Bill - have always liked it up there. Have taken a few long bike rides up there and we ski in VT and NH every year. Going up in a couple of weeks actually.


    Now all of us in the DVNR can get you to get VT titles for all of our bikes that PennDOT wont easily do - then once we "buy" them back from you, we can get them transferred into PA titles!!


    Brian


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Think they are attached via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com>
    To: davidebehnken at gmail.com <davidebehnken at gmail.com>; dvnr at casano.com <dvnr at casano.com>
    Sent: Wed, Feb 17, 2021 11:15 am
    Subject: Re: DVNR February Update


    More news        We have sold our NJ house to our younger daughter and have bought a house in VT on a dirt road with 18 acres.  Will continue in DVNR as it is a great group.  Maybe when COVID is not an issue we can have a gathering here much like at the hunt club.  Email and cell number remain the same.  Address is 185 Burbee Pond Road  Windham VT 05359 Would welcome any and all who wish to come.   


    Bill Casey







    -----Original Message-----
    From: David Behnken <davidebehnken at gmail.com>
    To: DVNR email list <dvnr at casano.com>
    Sent: Mon, Feb 15, 2021 12:07 am
    Subject: DVNR February Update


    Hello DVNR members, 


    I hope this finds everyone healthy and well.  After the last few months we've had, I'm sure most of us are tired of either the cold, the snow or probably both. As we're now half way through February, hopefully warmer temperatures aren't too far off and the snow may begin to recede.  Maybe we'll get lucky and it'll even stop snowing at some point too.  


    I wanted to drop a note to update everyone about current events and near future activities.  I spoke with our contact at the State Park in mid-January.  He said to check back with him at the end of February to confirm, but it was almost guaranteed that the park will NOT be available to us in April if we wanted to try to hold a Gathering of the Nortons event.  I'm sure no one is surprised. 


    As such, we have a few options for the 2021 Gathering of the Nortons event: 1) cancel the event for the year 2) postpone it until later in 2021. I don't think it's a good idea or even a viable option to try to hold the event in April at another location for several reasons -- we'll never get anyone's permission, liability, who's comfortable attending and the list goes on.  


    I've spoken with Todd Robertson who, along with me, has been hosting spring meetings and neither of us think it's a great idea to hold a March meeting in our houses.  As an alternative, I thought I'd throw out Dan Sellers' idea of seeing if the club was interested in finding a restaurant or diner that would give us a room for a meeting.  I know the Spinning Wheel Diner by us in the Somerset & Hunterdon County area of Jersey has a room that can probably be requested, but I'm sure there are more central locations around the majority of the members.  I'll let you guys make suggestions if you know of options.  Hopefully we'll be able to arrange something for those who wish to get together in a group setting.


    I picked up a few brackets from Dave at Classic Cycle in Baptistown last Friday.  He asked what the club was doing for the Gathering and I told him basically what I said above.  He's not able to offer his shop for a Gathering of the Nortons size event, but said we were welcome to have a club get together at his shop on the third Sunday of April if we wanted.  Due to limited space, he said no cars, bikes only.  The deli across the street has good food too.  He also mentioned that it would work out great for him as he was planning on bringing his Model 18(?) to the Gathering if it had worked out.  This way he didn't even have to move it to display it.  It's a beautiful bike for those who haven't seen it.  


    So, if we aren't able to plan something for March, we have something on the books for April whereby we can get together and have a discussion regarding what we want to do for the 2021 Gathering of the Nortons.  What I'd like to do is have a discussion in a group setting in March and/or April to hash out the ideas members have and then probably put out a poll to choose a plan. If we do a poll, those who aren't able to attend or would prefer not to meet up in a group setting still have a voice.  I'm trying to avoid a prolonged chain of back and forth emails where everybody throws out their ideas at once and it usually ends up feeling like being in a room where everyone talks at once and nobody hears anything.  Fingers crossed.  In short, we'll figure out what the members want to do with the Gathering in either March or April. 


    As it's cold, snowy, nasty out and the roads are an icy/salty mess, now's the time to do the bike preparation and maintenance that you always say you're not going to put off and do before it's a scramble in April before the Gathering.  The oil's almost guaranteed to be in the sump, is it due for a change? New oil filter?  That's pretty easy.  How about the gearbox and primary?  When was the last time you changed it?  If your memory is as bad as mine, it's probably twice as long as you're guestimating it is.  That's the low hanging fruit - when's the last time you changed your fork oil?  I've never bought a used bike and not found the forks to have about an inch of peanut butter thick sludge in the bottom.  Not the best for bushings or ride quality.  Brake fluid?  Couldn't hurt, right?  If you get on a roll there's always the swing arm - 140 weight oil or grease (depending on your school of thought).  Fuel and carbs ready?  That's just the fluids.  How's the battery?  If it's not on a tender or won't hold a charge, now's the time to get a new one. Any fixes you've been putting off?  How's the wiring harness?  And then there's everyone's favorite topic: Tires.   When's the last time you took a GOOD look at them for cracked sidewalls, wear and age?  They're the only thing between you and the road and the ability to stop and turn sure is nice..... Now's the time to get some new ones if needed!  


    Speaking of tires, I've attached a few pics of the tires I recently took off a new-to-me bike.  As you can see, the tread looks good and they are only about 5 years old.  I didn't see any significant cracking of the sidewalls and they were still relatively soft.  However, I decided to play it safe and replace them.  The tiny round pellets of rubber and silica(?) that you see in the pics were inside the tires; that's exactly how they looked when they came off the rims. I'd never seen that before.  From what I learned from my bike shop guy who was a MSF instructor for many years, it's the inside of the tire coming apart from being ridden at too low of pressure.  The tire was failing from the inside out. My guy said he used to keep a small glass jar of the pellets to show the people in his class what could happen to their tires if they didn't check the air pressure.  Crazy stuff.  Glad I bought the new tires.


    Stay warm and be well!


    David B   
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From robertnorum1953 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 17 15:09:44 2021
From: robertnorum1953 at gmail.com (robertnorum1953 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 15:09:44 -0500
Subject: DVNR February Update
In-Reply-To: <DC8F5B56AE7C4B9C897DD0590EE24E67@OwnerPC>
References: <555852592.2557167.1613582562323@mail.yahoo.com>
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I was thinking of our Commando riders with limited suspension travel ? perhaps an old Norton desert sled would feel right at home!

 

From: Richard Colahan <rcolahan at epix.net> 
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2021 2:48 PM
To: Robert Norum <robertnorum1953 at gmail.com>; bsafr at aol.com
Cc: dvnr at casano.com
Subject: Re: DVNR February Update

 

Easy Bob!

Some of us LOVE DR's!

I've done some great dual-sport riding in Vermont and New Hampshire...

Your Buell would be right at home!

 

And congrats Bill.

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Robert Norum <mailto:robertnorum1953 at gmail.com>  

To: bsafr at aol.com <mailto:bsafr at aol.com>  

Cc: dvnr at casano.com <mailto:dvnr at casano.com>  

Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2021 1:50 PM

Subject: Re: DVNR February Update

 

Congratulations Bill on your piece of paradise- sounds wonderful! 

Let us know when the mud road, ummm sorry meant dirt road is paved! 

 

Cheers!

Sent from Bob's iPhone





On Feb 17, 2021, at 12:23 PM, Brian Safer via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com <mailto:dvnr at casano.com> > wrote:

? 

Great news and congratulations Bill - have always liked it up there. Have taken a few long bike rides up there and we ski in VT and NH every year. Going up in a couple of weeks actually.

 

Now all of us in the DVNR can get you to get VT titles for all of our bikes that PennDOT wont easily do - then once we "buy" them back from you, we can get them transferred into PA titles!!

 

Brian


-----Original Message-----
From: Think they are attached via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com <mailto:dvnr at casano.com> >
To: davidebehnken at gmail.com <mailto:davidebehnken at gmail.com>  <davidebehnken at gmail.com <mailto:davidebehnken at gmail.com> >; dvnr at casano.com <mailto:dvnr at casano.com>  <dvnr at casano.com <mailto:dvnr at casano.com> >
Sent: Wed, Feb 17, 2021 11:15 am
Subject: Re: DVNR February Update

More news        We have sold our NJ house to our younger daughter and have bought a house in VT on a dirt road with 18 acres.  Will continue in DVNR as it is a great group.  Maybe when COVID is not an issue we can have a gathering here much like at the hunt club.  Email and cell number remain the same.  Address is 185 Burbee Pond Road  Windham VT 05359 Would welcome any and all who wish to come.   

 

Bill Casey

 





-----Original Message-----
From: David Behnken <davidebehnken at gmail.com <mailto:davidebehnken at gmail.com> >
To: DVNR email list <dvnr at casano.com <mailto:dvnr at casano.com> >
Sent: Mon, Feb 15, 2021 12:07 am
Subject: DVNR February Update




Hello DVNR members, 

 

I hope this finds everyone healthy and well.  After the last few months we've had, I'm sure most of us are tired of either the cold, the snow or probably both. As we're now half way through February, hopefully warmer temperatures aren't too far off and the snow may begin to recede.  Maybe we'll get lucky and it'll even stop snowing at some point too.  

 

I wanted to drop a note to update everyone about current events and near future activities.  I spoke with our contact at the State Park in mid-January.  He said to check back with him at the end of February to confirm, but it was almost guaranteed that the park will NOT be available to us in April if we wanted to try to hold a Gathering of the Nortons event.  I'm sure no one is surprised. 

 

As such, we have a few options for the 2021 Gathering of the Nortons event: 1) cancel the event for the year 2) postpone it until later in 2021. I don't think it's a good idea or even a viable option to try to hold the event in April at another location for several reasons -- we'll never get anyone's permission, liability, who's comfortable attending and the list goes on.  

 

I've spoken with Todd Robertson who, along with me, has been hosting spring meetings and neither of us think it's a great idea to hold a March meeting in our houses.  As an alternative, I thought I'd throw out Dan Sellers' idea of seeing if the club was interested in finding a restaurant or diner that would give us a room for a meeting.  I know the Spinning Wheel Diner by us in the Somerset & Hunterdon County area of Jersey has a room that can probably be requested, but I'm sure there are more central locations around the majority of the members.  I'll let you guys make suggestions if you know of options.  Hopefully we'll be able to arrange something for those who wish to get together in a group setting.

 

I picked up a few brackets from Dave at Classic Cycle in Baptistown last Friday.  He asked what the club was doing for the Gathering and I told him basically what I said above.  He's not able to offer his shop for a Gathering of the Nortons size event, but said we were welcome to have a club get together at his shop on the third Sunday of April if we wanted.  Due to limited space, he said no cars, bikes only.  The deli across the street has good food too.  He also mentioned that it would work out great for him as he was planning on bringing his Model 18(?) to the Gathering if it had worked out.  This way he didn't even have to move it to display it.  It's a beautiful bike for those who haven't seen it.  

 

So, if we aren't able to plan something for March, we have something on the books for April whereby we can get together and have a discussion regarding what we want to do for the 2021 Gathering of the Nortons.  What I'd like to do is have a discussion in a group setting in March and/or April to hash out the ideas members have and then probably put out a poll to choose a plan. If we do a poll, those who aren't able to attend or would prefer not to meet up in a group setting still have a voice.  I'm trying to avoid a prolonged chain of back and forth emails where everybody throws out their ideas at once and it usually ends up feeling like being in a room where everyone talks at once and nobody hears anything.  Fingers crossed.  In short, we'll figure out what the members want to do with the Gathering in either March or April. 

 

As it's cold, snowy, nasty out and the roads are an icy/salty mess, now's the time to do the bike preparation and maintenance that you always say you're not going to put off and do before it's a scramble in April before the Gathering.  The oil's almost guaranteed to be in the sump, is it due for a change? New oil filter?  That's pretty easy.  How about the gearbox and primary?  When was the last time you changed it?  If your memory is as bad as mine, it's probably twice as long as you're guestimating it is.  That's the low hanging fruit - when's the last time you changed your fork oil?  I've never bought a used bike and not found the forks to have about an inch of peanut butter thick sludge in the bottom.  Not the best for bushings or ride quality.  Brake fluid?  Couldn't hurt, right?  If you get on a roll there's always the swing arm - 140 weight oil or grease (depending on your school of thought).  Fuel and carbs ready?  That's just the fluids.  How's the battery?  If it's not on a tender or won't hold a charge, now's the time to get a new one. Any fixes you've been putting off?  How's the wiring harness?  And then there's everyone's favorite topic: Tires.   When's the last time you took a GOOD look at them for cracked sidewalls, wear and age?  They're the only thing between you and the road and the ability to stop and turn sure is nice..... Now's the time to get some new ones if needed!  

 

Speaking of tires, I've attached a few pics of the tires I recently took off a new-to-me bike.  As you can see, the tread looks good and they are only about 5 years old.  I didn't see any significant cracking of the sidewalls and they were still relatively soft.  However, I decided to play it safe and replace them.  The tiny round pellets of rubber and silica(?) that you see in the pics were inside the tires; that's exactly how they looked when they came off the rims. I'd never seen that before.  From what I learned from my bike shop guy who was a MSF instructor for many years, it's the inside of the tire coming apart from being ridden at too low of pressure.  The tire was failing from the inside out. My guy said he used to keep a small glass jar of the pellets to show the people in his class what could happen to their tires if they didn't check the air pressure.  Crazy stuff.  Glad I bought the new tires.

 

Stay warm and be well!

 

David B   

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From bruceimacphail at gmail.com  Wed Feb 17 15:13:59 2021
From: bruceimacphail at gmail.com (Bruce Macphail)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 15:13:59 -0500
Subject: DVNR February Update
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 <8281DC48-027F-43B5-BA07-819130B0F798@gmail.com>
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Bob
Will try my P11.
Bruce

On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 3:10 PM <robertnorum1953 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I was thinking of our Commando riders with limited suspension travel ?
> perhaps an old Norton desert sled would feel right at home!
>
>
>
> *From:* Richard Colahan <rcolahan at epix.net>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 17, 2021 2:48 PM
> *To:* Robert Norum <robertnorum1953 at gmail.com>; bsafr at aol.com
> *Cc:* dvnr at casano.com
> *Subject:* Re: DVNR February Update
>
>
>
> Easy Bob!
>
> Some of us LOVE DR's!
>
> I've done some great dual-sport riding in Vermont and New Hampshire...
>
> Your Buell would be right at home!
>
>
>
> And congrats Bill.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Robert Norum <robertnorum1953 at gmail.com>
>
> *To:* bsafr at aol.com
>
> *Cc:* dvnr at casano.com
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 17, 2021 1:50 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: DVNR February Update
>
>
>
> Congratulations Bill on your piece of paradise- sounds wonderful!
>
> Let us know when the mud road, ummm sorry meant dirt road is paved!
>
>
>
> Cheers!
>
> Sent from Bob's iPhone
>
>
>
> On Feb 17, 2021, at 12:23 PM, Brian Safer via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com>
> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Great news and congratulations Bill - have always liked it up there. Have
> taken a few long bike rides up there and we ski in VT and NH every year.
> Going up in a couple of weeks actually.
>
>
>
> Now all of us in the DVNR can get you to get VT titles for all of our
> bikes that PennDOT wont easily do - then once we "buy" them back from you,
> we can get them transferred into PA titles!!
>
>
>
> Brian
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Think they are attached via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com>
> To: davidebehnken at gmail.com <davidebehnken at gmail.com>; dvnr at casano.com <
> dvnr at casano.com>
> Sent: Wed, Feb 17, 2021 11:15 am
> Subject: Re: DVNR February Update
>
> More news        We have sold our NJ house to our younger daughter and
> have bought a house in VT on a dirt road with 18 acres.  Will continue in
> DVNR as it is a great group.  Maybe when COVID is not an issue we can have
> a gathering here much like at the hunt club.  Email and cell number remain
> the same.  Address is 185 Burbee Pond Road  Windham VT 05359 Would welcome
> any and all who wish to come.
>
>
>
> Bill Casey
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Behnken <davidebehnken at gmail.com>
> To: DVNR email list <dvnr at casano.com>
> Sent: Mon, Feb 15, 2021 12:07 am
> Subject: DVNR February Update
>
>
> Hello DVNR members,
>
>
>
> I hope this finds everyone healthy and well.  After the last few months
> we've had, I'm sure most of us are tired of either the cold, the snow or
> probably both. As we're now half way through February, hopefully warmer
> temperatures aren't too far off and the snow may begin to recede.  Maybe
> we'll get lucky and it'll even stop snowing at some point too.
>
>
>
> I wanted to drop a note to update everyone about current events and near
> future activities.  I spoke with our contact at the State Park in
> mid-January.  He said to check back with him at the end of February to
> confirm, but it was almost guaranteed that the park will NOT be available
> to us in April if we wanted to try to hold a Gathering of the Nortons
> event.  I'm sure no one is surprised.
>
>
>
> As such, we have a few options for the 2021 Gathering of the Nortons
> event: 1) cancel the event for the year 2) postpone it until later in 2021.
> I don't think it's a good idea or even a viable option to try to hold the
> event in April at another location for several reasons -- we'll never get
> anyone's permission, liability, who's comfortable attending and the list
> goes on.
>
>
>
> I've spoken with Todd Robertson who, along with me, has been hosting
> spring meetings and neither of us think it's a great idea to hold a March
> meeting in our houses.  As an alternative, I thought I'd throw out Dan
> Sellers' idea of seeing if the club was interested in finding a restaurant
> or diner that would give us a room for a meeting.  I know the Spinning
> Wheel Diner by us in the Somerset & Hunterdon County area of Jersey has a
> room that can probably be requested, but I'm sure there are more central
> locations around the majority of the members.  I'll let you guys make
> suggestions if you know of options.  Hopefully we'll be able to arrange
> something for those who wish to get together in a group setting.
>
>
>
> I picked up a few brackets from Dave at Classic Cycle in Baptistown last
> Friday.  He asked what the club was doing for the Gathering and I told him
> basically what I said above.  He's not able to offer his shop for a
> Gathering of the Nortons size event, but said we were welcome to have a
> club get together at his shop on the third Sunday of April if we wanted.
> Due to limited space, he said no cars, bikes only.  The deli across the
> street has good food too.  He also mentioned that it would work out great
> for him as he was planning on bringing his Model 18(?) to the Gathering if
> it had worked out.  This way he didn't even have to move it to display it.
> It's a beautiful bike for those who haven't seen it.
>
>
>
> So, if we aren't able to plan something for March, we have something on
> the books for April whereby we can get together and have a discussion
> regarding what we want to do for the 2021 Gathering of the Nortons.  What
> I'd like to do is have a discussion in a group setting in March and/or
> April to hash out the ideas members have and then probably put out a poll
> to choose a plan. If we do a poll, those who aren't able to attend or would
> prefer not to meet up in a group setting still have a voice.  I'm trying to
> avoid a prolonged chain of back and forth emails where everybody throws out
> their ideas at once and it usually ends up feeling like being in a room
> where everyone talks at once and nobody hears anything.  Fingers crossed.
> In short, we'll figure out what the members want to do with the Gathering
> in either March or April.
>
>
>
> As it's cold, snowy, nasty out and the roads are an icy/salty mess, now's
> the time to do the bike preparation and maintenance that you always *say*
> you're not going to put off and do before it's a scramble in April before
> the Gathering.  The oil's almost guaranteed to be in the sump, is it due
> for a change? New oil filter?  That's pretty easy.  How about the gearbox
> and primary?  When was the last time you changed it?  If your memory is as
> bad as mine, it's probably twice as long as you're guestimating it is.
> That's the low hanging fruit - when's the last time you changed your fork
> oil?  I've never bought a used bike and *not *found the forks to have
> about an inch of peanut butter thick sludge in the bottom.  Not the best
> for bushings or ride quality.  Brake fluid?  Couldn't hurt, right?  If you
> get on a roll there's always the swing arm - 140 weight oil or grease
> (depending on your school of thought).  Fuel and carbs ready?  That's just
> the fluids.  How's the battery?  If it's not on a tender or won't hold a
> charge, now's the time to get a new one. Any fixes you've been putting
> off?  How's the wiring harness?  And then there's everyone's favorite
> topic: *Tires.*   When's the last time you took a GOOD look at them
> for cracked sidewalls, wear and age?  They're the only thing between you
> and the road and the ability to stop and turn sure is nice..... Now's the
> time to get some new ones if needed!
>
>
>
> Speaking of tires, I've attached a few pics of the tires I recently took
> off a new-to-me bike.  As you can see, the tread looks good and they are
> only about 5 years old.  I didn't see any significant cracking of the
> sidewalls and they were still relatively soft.  However, I decided to play
> it safe and replace them.  The tiny round pellets of rubber and silica(?)
> that you see in the pics were inside the tires; that's exactly how they
> looked when they came off the rims. I'd never seen that before.  From what
> I learned from my bike shop guy who was a MSF instructor for many years,
> it's the inside of the tire coming apart from being ridden at too low of
> pressure.  The tire was failing from the inside out. My guy said he used to
> keep a small glass jar of the pellets to show the people in his class what
> could happen to their tires if they didn't check the air pressure.  Crazy
> stuff.  Glad I bought the new tires.
>
>
>
> Stay warm and be well!
>
>
>
> David B
>
>

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From: ducdude at verizon.net (ducdude)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 15:53:45 -0500
Subject: DVNR February Update
In-Reply-To: <DC8F5B56AE7C4B9C897DD0590EE24E67@OwnerPC>
References: <555852592.2557167.1613582562323@mail.yahoo.com>
 <8281DC48-027F-43B5-BA07-819130B0F798@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CFDE82A7C6A342CA86F7E08FFC5740B5@WizBangII>

Packed dry dirt good, muddy dirt not good on road bikes  :-)

From: Richard Colahan 
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2021 14:47
To: Robert Norum ; bsafr at aol.com 
Cc: dvnr at casano.com 
Subject: Re: DVNR February Update

Easy Bob!
Some of us LOVE DR's!
I've done some great dual-sport riding in Vermont and New Hampshire...
Your Buell would be right at home!

And congrats Bill.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Robert Norum 
  To: bsafr at aol.com 
  Cc: dvnr at casano.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2021 1:50 PM
  Subject: Re: DVNR February Update

  Congratulations Bill on your piece of paradise- sounds wonderful! 
  Let us know when the mud road, ummm sorry meant dirt road is paved! 

  Cheers!


  Sent from Bob's iPhone


    On Feb 17, 2021, at 12:23 PM, Brian Safer via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com> wrote:


    ? 
    Great news and congratulations Bill - have always liked it up there. Have taken a few long bike rides up there and we ski in VT and NH every year. Going up in a couple of weeks actually.

    Now all of us in the DVNR can get you to get VT titles for all of our bikes that PennDOT wont easily do - then once we "buy" them back from you, we can get them transferred into PA titles!!

    Brian


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Think they are attached via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com>
    To: davidebehnken at gmail.com <davidebehnken at gmail.com>; dvnr at casano.com <dvnr at casano.com>
    Sent: Wed, Feb 17, 2021 11:15 am
    Subject: Re: DVNR February Update


    More news        We have sold our NJ house to our younger daughter and have bought a house in VT on a dirt road with 18 acres.  Will continue in DVNR as it is a great group.  Maybe when COVID is not an issue we can have a gathering here much like at the hunt club.  Email and cell number remain the same.  Address is 185 Burbee Pond Road  Windham VT 05359 Would welcome any and all who wish to come.   

    Bill Casey






    -----Original Message-----
    From: David Behnken <davidebehnken at gmail.com>
    To: DVNR email list <dvnr at casano.com>
    Sent: Mon, Feb 15, 2021 12:07 am
    Subject: DVNR February Update


    Hello DVNR members, 

    I hope this finds everyone healthy and well.  After the last few months we've had, I'm sure most of us are tired of either the cold, the snow or probably both. As we're now half way through February, hopefully warmer temperatures aren't too far off and the snow may begin to recede.  Maybe we'll get lucky and it'll even stop snowing at some point too.  

    I wanted to drop a note to update everyone about current events and near future activities.  I spoke with our contact at the State Park in mid-January.  He said to check back with him at the end of February to confirm, but it was almost guaranteed that the park will NOT be available to us in April if we wanted to try to hold a Gathering of the Nortons event.  I'm sure no one is surprised. 

    As such, we have a few options for the 2021 Gathering of the Nortons event: 1) cancel the event for the year 2) postpone it until later in 2021. I don't think it's a good idea or even a viable option to try to hold the event in April at another location for several reasons -- we'll never get anyone's permission, liability, who's comfortable attending and the list goes on.  

    I've spoken with Todd Robertson who, along with me, has been hosting spring meetings and neither of us think it's a great idea to hold a March meeting in our houses.  As an alternative, I thought I'd throw out Dan Sellers' idea of seeing if the club was interested in finding a restaurant or diner that would give us a room for a meeting.  I know the Spinning Wheel Diner by us in the Somerset & Hunterdon County area of Jersey has a room that can probably be requested, but I'm sure there are more central locations around the majority of the members.  I'll let you guys make suggestions if you know of options.  Hopefully we'll be able to arrange something for those who wish to get together in a group setting.

    I picked up a few brackets from Dave at Classic Cycle in Baptistown last Friday.  He asked what the club was doing for the Gathering and I told him basically what I said above.  He's not able to offer his shop for a Gathering of the Nortons size event, but said we were welcome to have a club get together at his shop on the third Sunday of April if we wanted.  Due to limited space, he said no cars, bikes only.  The deli across the street has good food too.  He also mentioned that it would work out great for him as he was planning on bringing his Model 18(?) to the Gathering if it had worked out.  This way he didn't even have to move it to display it.  It's a beautiful bike for those who haven't seen it.  

    So, if we aren't able to plan something for March, we have something on the books for April whereby we can get together and have a discussion regarding what we want to do for the 2021 Gathering of the Nortons.  What I'd like to do is have a discussion in a group setting in March and/or April to hash out the ideas members have and then probably put out a poll to choose a plan. If we do a poll, those who aren't able to attend or would prefer not to meet up in a group setting still have a voice.  I'm trying to avoid a prolonged chain of back and forth emails where everybody throws out their ideas at once and it usually ends up feeling like being in a room where everyone talks at once and nobody hears anything.  Fingers crossed.  In short, we'll figure out what the members want to do with the Gathering in either March or April. 

    As it's cold, snowy, nasty out and the roads are an icy/salty mess, now's the time to do the bike preparation and maintenance that you always say you're not going to put off and do before it's a scramble in April before the Gathering.  The oil's almost guaranteed to be in the sump, is it due for a change? New oil filter?  That's pretty easy.  How about the gearbox and primary?  When was the last time you changed it?  If your memory is as bad as mine, it's probably twice as long as you're guestimating it is.  That's the low hanging fruit - when's the last time you changed your fork oil?  I've never bought a used bike and not found the forks to have about an inch of peanut butter thick sludge in the bottom.  Not the best for bushings or ride quality.  Brake fluid?  Couldn't hurt, right?  If you get on a roll there's always the swing arm - 140 weight oil or grease (depending on your school of thought).  Fuel and carbs ready?  That's just the fluids.  How's the battery?  If it's not on a tender or won't hold a charge, now's the time to get a new one. Any fixes you've been putting off?  How's the wiring harness?  And then there's everyone's favorite topic: Tires.   When's the last time you took a GOOD look at them for cracked sidewalls, wear and age?  They're the only thing between you and the road and the ability to stop and turn sure is nice..... Now's the time to get some new ones if needed!  

    Speaking of tires, I've attached a few pics of the tires I recently took off a new-to-me bike.  As you can see, the tread looks good and they are only about 5 years old.  I didn't see any significant cracking of the sidewalls and they were still relatively soft.  However, I decided to play it safe and replace them.  The tiny round pellets of rubber and silica(?) that you see in the pics were inside the tires; that's exactly how they looked when they came off the rims. I'd never seen that before.  From what I learned from my bike shop guy who was a MSF instructor for many years, it's the inside of the tire coming apart from being ridden at too low of pressure.  The tire was failing from the inside out. My guy said he used to keep a small glass jar of the pellets to show the people in his class what could happen to their tires if they didn't check the air pressure.  Crazy stuff.  Glad I bought the new tires.

    Stay warm and be well!

    David B   
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From trob10 at verizon.net  Thu Feb 18 08:37:58 2021
From: trob10 at verizon.net (Revere Robertson)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2021 13:37:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: DVNR February Update
In-Reply-To: <CFDE82A7C6A342CA86F7E08FFC5740B5@WizBangII>
References: <555852592.2557167.1613582562323@mail.yahoo.com>
 <8281DC48-027F-43B5-BA07-819130B0F798@gmail.com>
 <DC8F5B56AE7C4B9C897DD0590EE24E67@OwnerPC>
 <CFDE82A7C6A342CA86F7E08FFC5740B5@WizBangII>
Message-ID: <1143126930.2853679.1613655478131@mail.yahoo.com>

Guys...That's what they make soap and water for....ride it hard, clean it later...? Todd...


-----Original Message-----
From: ducdude via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com>
To: Richard Colahan <rcolahan at epix.net>; Robert Norum <robertnorum1953 at gmail.com>; bsafr at aol.com
Cc: dvnr at casano.com
Sent: Wed, Feb 17, 2021 3:54 pm
Subject: Re: DVNR February Update

Packed dry dirt good, muddy dirt not good on road bikes? :-)?From: Richard Colahan Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2021 14:47To: Robert Norum ; bsafr at aol.com Cc: dvnr at casano.com Subject: Re: DVNR February Update?Easy Bob!Some of us LOVE DR's!I've done some great dual-sport riding in Vermont and New Hampshire...Your Buell would be right at home!?And congrats Bill.
 ----- Original Message -----  From: Robert Norum  To: bsafr at aol.com  Cc: dvnr at casano.com  Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2021 1:50 PM Subject: Re: DVNR February Update ?Congratulations Bill on your piece of paradise- sounds wonderful! Let us know when the mud road, ummm sorry meant dirt road is paved! ? Cheers!

 Sent from Bob's iPhone 
 
On Feb 17, 2021, at 12:23 PM, Brian Safer via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com> wrote:


 
 ?  Great news and congratulations Bill - have always liked it up there. Have taken a few long bike rides up there and we ski in VT and NH every year. Going up in a couple of weeks actually. ? Now all of us in the DVNR can get you to get VT titles for all of our bikes that PennDOT wont easily do - then once we "buy" them back from you, we can get them transferred into PA titles!! ? Brian


-----Original Message-----
From: Think they are attached via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com>
To: davidebehnken at gmail.com <davidebehnken at gmail.com>; dvnr at casano.com <dvnr at casano.com>
Sent: Wed, Feb 17, 2021 11:15 am
Subject: Re: DVNR February Update

   More news??????? We have sold our NJ house to our younger daughter and have bought a house in VT on a dirt road with 18 acres.? Will continue in DVNR as it is a great group.? Maybe when COVID is not an issue we can have a gathering here much like at the hunt club.? Email and cell number remain the same.? Address is 185 Burbee Pond Road? Windham VT 05359 Would welcome any and all who wish to come.?? ? Bill Casey
 ?  


 -----Original Message-----
From: David Behnken <davidebehnken at gmail.com>
To: DVNR email list <dvnr at casano.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 15, 2021 12:07 am
Subject: DVNR February Update

  Hello DVNR members, ? I hope this finds everyone healthy and well.? After the last few months we've had, I'm sure most of us are tired of either the cold, the snow or probably both. As we're now half way through February, hopefully warmer temperatures aren't too far off and the snow may begin to recede.? Maybe we'll get lucky and it'll even stop snowing at some point too.?  ? I wanted to drop a note to update everyone about current events and near future activities.? I spoke with our contact at the State Park in mid-January.? He said to check back with him at the end of February to confirm, but it was almost guaranteed that the park will NOT be available to us in April if we wanted to try to hold a Gathering of the Nortons event.? I'm sure no one is surprised.  ? As such, we have a few options for the 2021 Gathering of the Nortons event: 1) cancel the event for the year 2) postpone it until later in 2021. I don't think it's a good idea or even a viable option to try to hold the event in April at another location for several reasons -- we'll never get anyone's permission, liability, who's comfortable attending and the list goes on.?  ? I've spoken with Todd Robertson who, along with me, has been hosting spring meetings and neither of us think it's a great idea to hold a March meeting in our houses.? As an alternative, I thought I'd throw out Dan Sellers' idea of seeing if the club was interested in finding a restaurant or diner that would give us a room for a meeting.? I know the Spinning Wheel Diner by us in the Somerset & Hunterdon County area of Jersey has a room that can probably be requested, but I'm sure there are more central locations around the majority of the members.? I'll let you guys make suggestions if you know of options.? Hopefully we'll be able to arrange something for those who wish to get together in a group setting. ? I picked up a few brackets from Dave at Classic Cycle in Baptistown last Friday.? He asked what the club was doing for the Gathering and I told him basically what I said above.? He's not able to offer his shop for a Gathering of the Nortons size event, but said we were welcome to have a club get together at his shop on the third Sunday of April if we wanted.? Due to limited space, he said no cars, bikes only.? The deli across the street has good food too.? He also mentioned that it would work out great for him as he was planning on bringing his Model 18(?) to the Gathering if it had worked out.? This way he didn't even have to move it to display it.? It's a beautiful bike for those who haven't seen it.?  ? So, if we aren't able to plan something for March, we have something on the books for April whereby we can get together and have a discussion regarding what we want to do for the 2021 Gathering of the Nortons.? What I'd like to do is have a discussion in a group setting in March and/or April to hash out the ideas members have and then probably put out a poll to choose a plan. If we do a poll, those who aren't able to attend or would prefer not to meet up in a group setting still have a voice.? I'm trying to avoid a prolonged chain of back and forth emails where everybody throws out their ideas at once and it usually ends up feeling like being in a room where everyone talks at once and nobody hears anything.? Fingers crossed.? In short, we'll figure out what the members want to do with the Gathering in either March or April.  ? As it's cold, snowy, nasty out and the roads are an icy/salty mess, now's the time to do the bike preparation and maintenance that you always say you're not going to put off and do before it's a scramble in April before the Gathering.? The oil's almost guaranteed to be in the sump, is it due for a change? New oil filter?? That's pretty easy.? How about the gearbox and primary?? When was the last time you changed it?? If your memory is as bad as mine, it's probably twice as long as you're guestimating it is.? That's the low hanging fruit - when's the last time you changed your fork oil?? I've never bought a used bike and not found the forks to have about an inch of peanut butter thick sludge in the bottom.? Not the best for bushings or ride quality.? Brake fluid?? Couldn't hurt, right?? If you get on a roll there's always the swing arm - 140 weight oil or grease (depending on your school of thought).? Fuel and carbs ready?? That's just the fluids.? How's the battery?? If it's not on a tender or won't hold a charge, now's the time to get a new one. Any fixes you've been putting off?? How's the wiring harness?? And then there's everyone's favorite topic: Tires.?? When's the last time you took a GOOD look at them for cracked sidewalls, wear and age?? They're the only thing between you and the road and the ability to stop and turn sure is nice..... Now's the time to get some new ones if needed!?  ? Speaking of tires, I've attached a few pics of the tires I recently took off a new-to-me bike.? As you can see, the tread looks good and they are only about 5 years old.? I didn't see any significant cracking of the sidewalls and they were still relatively soft.? However, I decided to play it safe and replace them.? The tiny round pellets of rubber and silica(?) that you see in the pics were inside the tires; that's exactly how they looked when they came off the rims. I'd never seen that before.? From what I learned from my bike shop guy who was a MSF instructor for many years, it's the inside of the tire coming apart from being ridden at too low of pressure.? The tire was failing from the inside out. My guy said he used to keep a small glass jar of the pellets to show the people in his class what could happen to their tires if they didn't check the air pressure.? Crazy stuff.? Glad I bought the new tires. ? Stay warm and be well! ? David B?? 

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From trob10 at verizon.net  Thu Feb 18 08:37:58 2021
From: trob10 at verizon.net (Revere Robertson)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2021 13:37:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: DVNR February Update
In-Reply-To: <CFDE82A7C6A342CA86F7E08FFC5740B5@WizBangII>
References: <555852592.2557167.1613582562323@mail.yahoo.com>
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 <CFDE82A7C6A342CA86F7E08FFC5740B5@WizBangII>
Message-ID: <1143126930.2853679.1613655478131@mail.yahoo.com>

Guys...That's what they make soap and water for....ride it hard, clean it later...? Todd...


-----Original Message-----
From: ducdude via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com>
To: Richard Colahan <rcolahan at epix.net>; Robert Norum <robertnorum1953 at gmail.com>; bsafr at aol.com
Cc: dvnr at casano.com
Sent: Wed, Feb 17, 2021 3:54 pm
Subject: Re: DVNR February Update

Packed dry dirt good, muddy dirt not good on road bikes? :-)?From: Richard Colahan Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2021 14:47To: Robert Norum ; bsafr at aol.com Cc: dvnr at casano.com Subject: Re: DVNR February Update?Easy Bob!Some of us LOVE DR's!I've done some great dual-sport riding in Vermont and New Hampshire...Your Buell would be right at home!?And congrats Bill.
 ----- Original Message -----  From: Robert Norum  To: bsafr at aol.com  Cc: dvnr at casano.com  Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2021 1:50 PM Subject: Re: DVNR February Update ?Congratulations Bill on your piece of paradise- sounds wonderful! Let us know when the mud road, ummm sorry meant dirt road is paved! ? Cheers!

 Sent from Bob's iPhone 
 
On Feb 17, 2021, at 12:23 PM, Brian Safer via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com> wrote:


 
 ?  Great news and congratulations Bill - have always liked it up there. Have taken a few long bike rides up there and we ski in VT and NH every year. Going up in a couple of weeks actually. ? Now all of us in the DVNR can get you to get VT titles for all of our bikes that PennDOT wont easily do - then once we "buy" them back from you, we can get them transferred into PA titles!! ? Brian


-----Original Message-----
From: Think they are attached via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com>
To: davidebehnken at gmail.com <davidebehnken at gmail.com>; dvnr at casano.com <dvnr at casano.com>
Sent: Wed, Feb 17, 2021 11:15 am
Subject: Re: DVNR February Update

   More news??????? We have sold our NJ house to our younger daughter and have bought a house in VT on a dirt road with 18 acres.? Will continue in DVNR as it is a great group.? Maybe when COVID is not an issue we can have a gathering here much like at the hunt club.? Email and cell number remain the same.? Address is 185 Burbee Pond Road? Windham VT 05359 Would welcome any and all who wish to come.?? ? Bill Casey
 ?  


 -----Original Message-----
From: David Behnken <davidebehnken at gmail.com>
To: DVNR email list <dvnr at casano.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 15, 2021 12:07 am
Subject: DVNR February Update

  Hello DVNR members, ? I hope this finds everyone healthy and well.? After the last few months we've had, I'm sure most of us are tired of either the cold, the snow or probably both. As we're now half way through February, hopefully warmer temperatures aren't too far off and the snow may begin to recede.? Maybe we'll get lucky and it'll even stop snowing at some point too.?  ? I wanted to drop a note to update everyone about current events and near future activities.? I spoke with our contact at the State Park in mid-January.? He said to check back with him at the end of February to confirm, but it was almost guaranteed that the park will NOT be available to us in April if we wanted to try to hold a Gathering of the Nortons event.? I'm sure no one is surprised.  ? As such, we have a few options for the 2021 Gathering of the Nortons event: 1) cancel the event for the year 2) postpone it until later in 2021. I don't think it's a good idea or even a viable option to try to hold the event in April at another location for several reasons -- we'll never get anyone's permission, liability, who's comfortable attending and the list goes on.?  ? I've spoken with Todd Robertson who, along with me, has been hosting spring meetings and neither of us think it's a great idea to hold a March meeting in our houses.? As an alternative, I thought I'd throw out Dan Sellers' idea of seeing if the club was interested in finding a restaurant or diner that would give us a room for a meeting.? I know the Spinning Wheel Diner by us in the Somerset & Hunterdon County area of Jersey has a room that can probably be requested, but I'm sure there are more central locations around the majority of the members.? I'll let you guys make suggestions if you know of options.? Hopefully we'll be able to arrange something for those who wish to get together in a group setting. ? I picked up a few brackets from Dave at Classic Cycle in Baptistown last Friday.? He asked what the club was doing for the Gathering and I told him basically what I said above.? He's not able to offer his shop for a Gathering of the Nortons size event, but said we were welcome to have a club get together at his shop on the third Sunday of April if we wanted.? Due to limited space, he said no cars, bikes only.? The deli across the street has good food too.? He also mentioned that it would work out great for him as he was planning on bringing his Model 18(?) to the Gathering if it had worked out.? This way he didn't even have to move it to display it.? It's a beautiful bike for those who haven't seen it.?  ? So, if we aren't able to plan something for March, we have something on the books for April whereby we can get together and have a discussion regarding what we want to do for the 2021 Gathering of the Nortons.? What I'd like to do is have a discussion in a group setting in March and/or April to hash out the ideas members have and then probably put out a poll to choose a plan. If we do a poll, those who aren't able to attend or would prefer not to meet up in a group setting still have a voice.? I'm trying to avoid a prolonged chain of back and forth emails where everybody throws out their ideas at once and it usually ends up feeling like being in a room where everyone talks at once and nobody hears anything.? Fingers crossed.? In short, we'll figure out what the members want to do with the Gathering in either March or April.  ? As it's cold, snowy, nasty out and the roads are an icy/salty mess, now's the time to do the bike preparation and maintenance that you always say you're not going to put off and do before it's a scramble in April before the Gathering.? The oil's almost guaranteed to be in the sump, is it due for a change? New oil filter?? That's pretty easy.? How about the gearbox and primary?? When was the last time you changed it?? If your memory is as bad as mine, it's probably twice as long as you're guestimating it is.? That's the low hanging fruit - when's the last time you changed your fork oil?? I've never bought a used bike and not found the forks to have about an inch of peanut butter thick sludge in the bottom.? Not the best for bushings or ride quality.? Brake fluid?? Couldn't hurt, right?? If you get on a roll there's always the swing arm - 140 weight oil or grease (depending on your school of thought).? Fuel and carbs ready?? That's just the fluids.? How's the battery?? If it's not on a tender or won't hold a charge, now's the time to get a new one. Any fixes you've been putting off?? How's the wiring harness?? And then there's everyone's favorite topic: Tires.?? When's the last time you took a GOOD look at them for cracked sidewalls, wear and age?? They're the only thing between you and the road and the ability to stop and turn sure is nice..... Now's the time to get some new ones if needed!?  ? Speaking of tires, I've attached a few pics of the tires I recently took off a new-to-me bike.? As you can see, the tread looks good and they are only about 5 years old.? I didn't see any significant cracking of the sidewalls and they were still relatively soft.? However, I decided to play it safe and replace them.? The tiny round pellets of rubber and silica(?) that you see in the pics were inside the tires; that's exactly how they looked when they came off the rims. I'd never seen that before.? From what I learned from my bike shop guy who was a MSF instructor for many years, it's the inside of the tire coming apart from being ridden at too low of pressure.? The tire was failing from the inside out. My guy said he used to keep a small glass jar of the pellets to show the people in his class what could happen to their tires if they didn't check the air pressure.? Crazy stuff.? Glad I bought the new tires. ? Stay warm and be well! ? David B?? 

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From: bsafr at aol.com (bsafr at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2021 13:39:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Does Katz play bass???
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OK - so I knew Bob Katz, modest owner of the Garage Mahall, had a Harley, exotic sports cars, old British auto projects, a variety of motorbikes, machine shop equipment, shipped his bike all over the US, kept snack foods in the top box of his BMW touring bike, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera...... but I didnt know he also played bass guitar for Ram Jam!!!!

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From: ducdude at verizon.net (ducdude)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2021 19:02:57 -0500
Subject: Was ; DVNR February Update: Now Compression test
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Well the Commando is back in the spotlight again! 
New fork tube seals and stations, progressive springs and NYC Norton seals and bushes, going in this week end.  Lots of fun stuff to find hidden in tem thar forks.

While I had the bike out I checked the compression in both cylinders to see if I could figure out why she was smoking out of the LH side ex pipe.  The good side without smoke was 122 ish psi and the bad smoking side was 125psi!  So, it seems the compression is good.  

Next we will do a leak down test to see if the valves or rings could be leaking a bit.  So far at 122-125psi that sounds pretty good to me what say the group?

Cheers,
Eric

From: ducdude via List 
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 21:18
To: Revere Robertson ; list at dvnr.org ; davidebehnken at gmail.com ; dvnr at casano.com 
Subject: Re: DVNR February Update

Damn!

Add Compression and leak down test to the list ..LOL  Actually should have done that weeks ago but she starts and run so well all I wanted to was ride.,  

Ok will report back in a few days ..

Thanks a lot..

LOL

Eric

From: Revere Robertson via List 
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 21:10
To: list at dvnr.org ; davidebehnken at gmail.com ; dvnr at casano.com 
Subject: Re: DVNR February Update

Hi Eric, Did you do a compression check on the head yet
  Todd...


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To: David Behnken <davidebehnken at gmail.com>; DVNR email list <dvnr at casano.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 15, 2021 8:19 am
Subject: Re: DVNR February Update


Greetings all,

As a group FNG having only bought my new to me 850 interstate a few months ago I would like to say thank you for the warm welcome and let you know I am in favor of postponing the Gathering to later in the summer in the hope that the restrictions will ease as the inoculations take hold.  I would also support a get together someplace were we could chat about the planning with out the emails flying.  

Please do forgive my enthusiasm as this is my first Norton and will be my first Gathering so I am getting ready .  The work on my 850  has been going on in earnest for weeks:
  a.. Premiere 932  Carbs 
  b.. Pazon ignition timing adjusted 
  c.. Sealed up Ex leaks  to quell backfiring 
  d.. NYC Norton engine Breather 
  e.. Turn signals re-attached 
  f.. New brake Master cylinder - AN with smaller bore 
  g.. New Seat 
  h.. New Kicker 
  i.. Oil ?Engine, Primary gearbox, filter and seals 
  j.. Drive and primary chains  adjusted 
  k.. Valves adjusted 
  l.. LED Tail and Head light 
  m.. Fog/Driving lights 
  n.. Charging system monitor 
  o.. Fuel Tank Clean and de rust (thinking about caswell resealing) Work in progress 
  p.. Forks fork tubes using NYC bushes and seals - Work in progress 
At some point the head will probably have to come off as she smokes a bit on the LH side and it look like oil (thinking valve seals) for now I just plan to ride her a 1000-1500 miles to see if it gets worse or better as it could be the rings seating after her long slumber.  Time will tell.

Come on spring !

Cheers,
Eric


From: David Behnken 
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 0:07
To: DVNR email list 
Subject: DVNR February Update

Hello DVNR members, 

I hope this finds everyone healthy and well.  After the last few months we've had, I'm sure most of us are tired of either the cold, the snow or probably both. As we're now half way through February, hopefully warmer temperatures aren't too far off and the snow may begin to recede.  Maybe we'll get lucky and it'll even stop snowing at some point too.  

I wanted to drop a note to update everyone about current events and near future activities.  I spoke with our contact at the State Park in mid-January.  He said to check back with him at the end of February to confirm, but it was almost guaranteed that the park will NOT be available to us in April if we wanted to try to hold a Gathering of the Nortons event.  I'm sure no one is surprised. 

As such, we have a few options for the 2021 Gathering of the Nortons event: 1) cancel the event for the year 2) postpone it until later in 2021. I don't think it's a good idea or even a viable option to try to hold the event in April at another location for several reasons -- we'll never get anyone's permission, liability, who's comfortable attending and the list goes on.  

I've spoken with Todd Robertson who, along with me, has been hosting spring meetings and neither of us think it's a great idea to hold a March meeting in our houses.  As an alternative, I thought I'd throw out Dan Sellers' idea of seeing if the club was interested in finding a restaurant or diner that would give us a room for a meeting.  I know the Spinning Wheel Diner by us in the Somerset & Hunterdon County area of Jersey has a room that can probably be requested, but I'm sure there are more central locations around the majority of the members.  I'll let you guys make suggestions if you know of options.  Hopefully we'll be able to arrange something for those who wish to get together in a group setting.

I picked up a few brackets from Dave at Classic Cycle in Baptistown last Friday.  He asked what the club was doing for the Gathering and I told him basically what I said above.  He's not able to offer his shop for a Gathering of the Nortons size event, but said we were welcome to have a club get together at his shop on the third Sunday of April if we wanted.  Due to limited space, he said no cars, bikes only.  The deli across the street has good food too.  He also mentioned that it would work out great for him as he was planning on bringing his Model 18(?) to the Gathering if it had worked out.  This way he didn't even have to move it to display it.  It's a beautiful bike for those who haven't seen it.  

So, if we aren't able to plan something for March, we have something on the books for April whereby we can get together and have a discussion regarding what we want to do for the 2021 Gathering of the Nortons.  What I'd like to do is have a discussion in a group setting in March and/or April to hash out the ideas members have and then probably put out a poll to choose a plan. If we do a poll, those who aren't able to attend or would prefer not to meet up in a group setting still have a voice.  I'm trying to avoid a prolonged chain of back and forth emails where everybody throws out their ideas at once and it usually ends up feeling like being in a room where everyone talks at once and nobody hears anything.  Fingers crossed.  In short, we'll figure out what the members want to do with the Gathering in either March or April. 

As it's cold, snowy, nasty out and the roads are an icy/salty mess, now's the time to do the bike preparation and maintenance that you always say you're not going to put off and do before it's a scramble in April before the Gathering.  The oil's almost guaranteed to be in the sump, is it due for a change? New oil filter?  That's pretty easy.  How about the gearbox and primary?  When was the last time you changed it?  If your memory is as bad as mine, it's probably twice as long as you're guestimating it is.  That's the low hanging fruit - when's the last time you changed your fork oil?  I've never bought a used bike and not found the forks to have about an inch of peanut butter thick sludge in the bottom.  Not the best for bushings or ride quality.  Brake fluid?  Couldn't hurt, right?  If you get on a roll there's always the swing arm - 140 weight oil or grease (depending on your school of thought).  Fuel and carbs ready?  That's just the fluids.  How's the battery?  If it's not on a tender or won't hold a charge, now's the time to get a new one. Any fixes you've been putting off?  How's the wiring harness?  And then there's everyone's favorite topic: Tires.   When's the last time you took a GOOD look at them for cracked sidewalls, wear and age?  They're the only thing between you and the road and the ability to stop and turn sure is nice..... Now's the time to get some new ones if needed!  

Speaking of tires, I've attached a few pics of the tires I recently took off a new-to-me bike.  As you can see, the tread looks good and they are only about 5 years old.  I didn't see any significant cracking of the sidewalls and they were still relatively soft.  However, I decided to play it safe and replace them.  The tiny round pellets of rubber and silica(?) that you see in the pics were inside the tires; that's exactly how they looked when they came off the rims. I'd never seen that before.  From what I learned from my bike shop guy who was a MSF instructor for many years, it's the inside of the tire coming apart from being ridden at too low of pressure.  The tire was failing from the inside out. My guy said he used to keep a small glass jar of the pellets to show the people in his class what could happen to their tires if they didn't check the air pressure.  Crazy stuff.  Glad I bought the new tires.

Stay warm and be well!

David B   
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From wq3x at epix.net  Sun Feb 21 09:34:32 2021
From: wq3x at epix.net (Russ Hunt WQ3X)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2021 14:34:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Was ; DVNR February Update: Now Compression test
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 Eric... When does it smoke? Is it black or white smoke? My bike (combat) smoked only at idle and on the overrun and it was white smoke that had a distinctive bad smell. It turned out to be a very loose valve guide. It was going up and down with the valve. The bike ran great though! Some bikes have had a number of valve jobs by now and if they were done by the Norton unknowing, not removing carbon from the guides before driving them out can cause scoring of the head where the valve guide goes. Oil can then be sucked down the outside of the guide. There are only a few people in the country that I would trust with doing a valve job on a Norton head right. (If it comes to that.)?I've had mine since new and now it seems to be coming around back more and more to stock. I've found the thing it really needed the most is a link rod headsteady. After that, Tri-spark.
Russ

    On Saturday, February 20, 2021, 07:03:33 PM EST, ducdude via List <list at dvnr.org> wrote:  
 
 Well the Commando is back in the spotlight again! New fork tube seals and stations, progressive springs and NYC Norton seals and bushes, going in this week end.? Lots of fun stuff to find hidden in tem thar forks.?While I had the bike out I checked the compression in both cylinders to see if I could figure out why she was smoking out of the LH side ex pipe.? The good side without smoke was 122 ish psi and the bad smoking side was 125psi!? So, it seems the compression is good.? ?Next we will do a leak down test to see if the valves or rings could be leaking a bit.? So far at 122-125psi that sounds pretty good to me what say the group??Cheers,Eric?From: ducdude via List Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 21:18To: Revere Robertson ; list at dvnr.org ; davidebehnken at gmail.com ; dvnr at casano.com Subject: Re: DVNR February Update?Damn!?Add Compression and leak down test to the list ..LOL? Actually should have done that weeks ago but she starts and run so well all I wanted to was ride.,? ?Ok will report back in a few days ..?Thanks a lot..?LOL?Eric?From: Revere Robertson via List Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 21:10To: list at dvnr.org ; davidebehnken at gmail.com ; dvnr at casano.com Subject: Re: DVNR February Update?Hi Eric, Did you do a compression check on the head yet? Todd...


-----Original Message-----
From: ducdude via List <list at dvnr.org>
To: David Behnken <davidebehnken at gmail.com>; DVNR email list <dvnr at casano.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 15, 2021 8:19 am
Subject: Re: DVNR February Update

Greetings all,?As a group FNG having only bought my new to me 850 interstate a few months ago I would like to say thank you for the warm welcome and let you know I am in favor of postponing the Gathering to later in the summer in the hope that the restrictions will ease as the inoculations take hold.? I would also support a get together someplace were we could chat about the planning with out the emails flying.? ?Please do forgive my enthusiasm as this is my first Norton and will be my first Gathering so I am getting ready .? The work on my 850? has been going on in earnest for weeks:   
   - Premiere 932? Carbs 
   - Pazon ignition timing adjusted 
   - Sealed up Ex leaks? to quell backfiring 
   - NYC Norton engine Breather 
   - Turn signals re-attached 
   - New brake Master cylinder - AN with smaller bore 
   - New Seat 
   - New Kicker 
   - Oil ?Engine, Primary gearbox, filter and seals 
   - Drive and primary chains? adjusted 
   - Valves adjusted 
   - LED Tail and Head light 
   - Fog/Driving lights 
   - Charging system monitor 
   - Fuel Tank Clean and de rust (thinking about caswell resealing) Work in progress 
   - Forks fork tubes using NYC bushes and seals - Work in progress 
At some point the head will probably have to come off as she smokes a bit on the LH side and it look like oil (thinking valve seals) for now I just plan to ride her a 1000-1500 miles to see if it gets worse or better as it could be the rings seating after her long slumber.? Time will tell.?Come on spring !?Cheers,Eric??From: David Behnken Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 0:07To: DVNR email list Subject: DVNR February Update?Hello DVNR members, ?I hope this finds everyone healthy and well.? After the last few months we've had, I'm sure most of us are tired of either the cold, the snow or probably both. As we're now half way through February, hopefully warmer temperatures aren't too far off and the snow may begin to recede.? Maybe we'll get lucky and it'll even stop snowing at some point too.? ?I wanted to drop a note to update everyone about current events and near future activities.? I spoke with our contact at the State Park in mid-January.? He said to check back with him at the end of February to confirm, but it was almost guaranteed that the park will NOT be available to us in April if we wanted to try to hold a Gathering of the Nortons event.? I'm sure no one is surprised. ?As such, we have a few options for the 2021 Gathering of the Nortons event: 1) cancel the event for the year 2) postpone it until later in 2021. I don't think it's a good idea or even a viable option to try to hold the event in April at another location for several reasons -- we'll never get anyone's permission, liability, who's comfortable attending and the list goes on.? ?I've spoken with Todd Robertson who, along with me, has been hosting spring meetings and neither of us think it's a great idea to hold a March meeting in our houses.? As an alternative, I thought I'd throw out Dan Sellers' idea of seeing if the club was interested in finding a restaurant or diner that would give us a room for a meeting.? I know the Spinning Wheel Diner by us in the Somerset & Hunterdon County area of Jersey has a room that can probably be requested, but I'm sure there are more central locations around the majority of the members.? I'll let you guys make suggestions if you know of options.? Hopefully we'll be able to arrange something for those who wish to get together in a group setting.?I picked up a few brackets from Dave at Classic Cycle in Baptistown last Friday.? He asked what the club was doing for the Gathering and I told him basically what I said above.? He's not able to offer his shop for a Gathering of the Nortons size event, but said we were welcome to have a club get together at his shop on the third Sunday of April if we wanted.? Due to limited space, he said no cars, bikes only.? The deli across the street has good food too.? He also mentioned that it would work out great for him as he was planning on bringing his Model 18(?) to the Gathering if it had worked out.? This way he didn't even have to move it to display it.? It's a beautiful bike for those who haven't seen it.? ?So, if we aren't able to plan something for March, we have something on the books for April whereby we can get together and have a discussion regarding what we want to do for the 2021 Gathering of the Nortons.? What I'd like to do is have a discussion in a group setting in March and/or April to hash out the ideas members have and then probably put out a poll to choose a plan. If we do a poll, those who aren't able to attend or would prefer not to meet up in a group setting still have a voice.? I'm trying to avoid a prolonged chain of back and forth emails where everybody throws out their ideas at once and it usually ends up feeling like being in a room where everyone talks at once and nobody hears anything.? Fingers crossed.? In short, we'll figure out what the members want to do with the Gathering in either March or April. ?As it's cold, snowy, nasty out and the roads are an icy/salty mess, now's the time to do the bike preparation and maintenance that you always say you're not going to put off and do before it's a scramble in April before the Gathering.? The oil's almost guaranteed to be in the sump, is it due for a change? New oil filter?? That's pretty easy.? How about the gearbox and primary?? When was the last time you changed it?? If your memory is as bad as mine, it's probably twice as long as you're guestimating it is.? That's the low hanging fruit - when's the last time you changed your fork oil?? I've never bought a used bike and not found the forks to have about an inch of peanut butter thick sludge in the bottom.? Not the best for bushings or ride quality.? Brake fluid?? Couldn't hurt, right?? If you get on a roll there's always the swing arm - 140 weight oil or grease (depending on your school of thought).? Fuel and carbs ready?? That's just the fluids.? How's the battery?? If it's not on a tender or won't hold a charge, now's the time to get a new one. Any fixes you've been putting off?? How's the wiring harness?? And then there's everyone's favorite topic: Tires.?? When's the last time you took a GOOD look at them for cracked sidewalls, wear and age?? They're the only thing between you and the road and the ability to stop and turn sure is nice..... Now's the time to get some new ones if needed!? ?Speaking of tires, I've attached a few pics of the tires I recently took off a new-to-me bike.? As you can see, the tread looks good and they are only about 5 years old.? I didn't see any significant cracking of the sidewalls and they were still relatively soft.? However, I decided to play it safe and replace them.? The tiny round pellets of rubber and silica(?) that you see in the pics were inside the tires; that's exactly how they looked when they came off the rims. I'd never seen that before.? From what I learned from my bike shop guy who was a MSF instructor for many years, it's the inside of the tire coming apart from being ridden at too low of pressure.? The tire was failing from the inside out. My guy said he used to keep a small glass jar of the pellets to show the people in his class what could happen to their tires if they didn't check the air pressure.? Crazy stuff.? Glad I bought the new tires.?Stay warm and be well!?David B??   
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Eric... When does it smoke? Is it black or white smoke? My bike (combat) smoked only at idle and on the overrun and it was white smoke that had a distinctive bad smell. It turned out to be a very loose valve guide. It was going up and down with the valve. The bike ran great though! Some bikes have had a number of valve jobs by now and if they were done by the Norton unknowing, not removing carbon from the guides before driving them out can cause scoring of the head where the valve guide goes. Oil can then be sucked down the outside of the guide. There are only a few people in the country that I would trust with doing a valve job on a Norton head right. (If it comes to that.)
I've had mine since new and now it seems to be coming around back more and more to stock. I've found the thing it really needed the most is a link rod headsteady. After that, Tri-spark.

Russ


On Saturday, February 20, 2021, 07:03:33 PM EST, ducdude via List <list at dvnr.org> wrote:


Well the Commando is back in the spotlight again!
New fork tube seals and stations, progressive springs and NYC Norton seals and bushes, going in this week end.  Lots of fun stuff to find hidden in tem thar forks.

While I had the bike out I checked the compression in both cylinders to see if I could figure out why she was smoking out of the LH side ex pipe.  The good side without smoke was 122 ish psi and the bad smoking side was 125psi!  So, it seems the compression is good.

Next we will do a leak down test to see if the valves or rings could be leaking a bit.  So far at 122-125psi that sounds pretty good to me what say the group?

Cheers,
Eric

From: ducdude via List
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 21:18
To: Revere Robertson ; list at dvnr.org ; davidebehnken at gmail.com ; dvnr at casano.com
Subject: Re: DVNR February Update

Damn!

Add Compression and leak down test to the list ..LOL  Actually should have done that weeks ago but she starts and run so well all I wanted to was ride.,

Ok will report back in a few days ..

Thanks a lot..

LOL

Eric

From: Revere Robertson via List
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 21:10
To: list at dvnr.org ; davidebehnken at gmail.com ; dvnr at casano.com
Subject: Re: DVNR February Update

Hi Eric, Did you do a compression check on the head yet
  Todd...


-----Original Message-----
From: ducdude via List <list at dvnr.org>
To: David Behnken <davidebehnken at gmail.com>; DVNR email list <dvnr at casano.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 15, 2021 8:19 am
Subject: Re: DVNR February Update

Greetings all,

As a group FNG having only bought my new to me 850 interstate a few months ago I would like to say thank you for the warm welcome and let you know I am in favor of postponing the Gathering to later in the summer in the hope that the restrictions will ease as the inoculations take hold.  I would also support a get together someplace were we could chat about the planning with out the emails flying.

Please do forgive my enthusiasm as this is my first Norton and will be my first Gathering so I am getting ready .  The work on my 850  has been going on in earnest for weeks:

  *   Premiere 932  Carbs
  *   Pazon ignition timing adjusted
  *   Sealed up Ex leaks  to quell backfiring
  *   NYC Norton engine Breather
  *   Turn signals re-attached
  *   New brake Master cylinder - AN with smaller bore
  *   New Seat
  *   New Kicker
  *   Oil ?Engine, Primary gearbox, filter and seals
  *   Drive and primary chains  adjusted
  *   Valves adjusted
  *   LED Tail and Head light
  *   Fog/Driving lights
  *   Charging system monitor
  *   Fuel Tank Clean and de rust (thinking about caswell resealing) Work in progress
  *   Forks fork tubes using NYC bushes and seals - Work in progress

At some point the head will probably have to come off as she smokes a bit on the LH side and it look like oil (thinking valve seals) for now I just plan to ride her a 1000-1500 miles to see if it gets worse or better as it could be the rings seating after her long slumber.  Time will tell.

Come on spring !

Cheers,
Eric


From: David Behnken
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 0:07
To: DVNR email list
Subject: DVNR February Update

Hello DVNR members,

I hope this finds everyone healthy and well.  After the last few months we've had, I'm sure most of us are tired of either the cold, the snow or probably both. As we're now half way through February, hopefully warmer temperatures aren't too far off and the snow may begin to recede.  Maybe we'll get lucky and it'll even stop snowing at some point too.

I wanted to drop a note to update everyone about current events and near future activities.  I spoke with our contact at the State Park in mid-January.  He said to check back with him at the end of February to confirm, but it was almost guaranteed that the park will NOT be available to us in April if we wanted to try to hold a Gathering of the Nortons event.  I'm sure no one is surprised.

As such, we have a few options for the 2021 Gathering of the Nortons event: 1) cancel the event for the year 2) postpone it until later in 2021. I don't think it's a good idea or even a viable option to try to hold the event in April at another location for several reasons -- we'll never get anyone's permission, liability, who's comfortable attending and the list goes on.

I've spoken with Todd Robertson who, along with me, has been hosting spring meetings and neither of us think it's a great idea to hold a March meeting in our houses.  As an alternative, I thought I'd throw out Dan Sellers' idea of seeing if the club was interested in finding a restaurant or diner that would give us a room for a meeting.  I know the Spinning Wheel Diner by us in the Somerset & Hunterdon County area of Jersey has a room that can probably be requested, but I'm sure there are more central locations around the majority of the members.  I'll let you guys make suggestions if you know of options.  Hopefully we'll be able to arrange something for those who wish to get together in a group setting.

I picked up a few brackets from Dave at Classic Cycle in Baptistown last Friday.  He asked what the club was doing for the Gathering and I told him basically what I said above.  He's not able to offer his shop for a Gathering of the Nortons size event, but said we were welcome to have a club get together at his shop on the third Sunday of April if we wanted.  Due to limited space, he said no cars, bikes only.  The deli across the street has good food too.  He also mentioned that it would work out great for him as he was planning on bringing his Model 18(?) to the Gathering if it had worked out.  This way he didn't even have to move it to display it.  It's a beautiful bike for those who haven't seen it.

So, if we aren't able to plan something for March, we have something on the books for April whereby we can get together and have a discussion regarding what we want to do for the 2021 Gathering of the Nortons.  What I'd like to do is have a discussion in a group setting in March and/or April to hash out the ideas members have and then probably put out a poll to choose a plan. If we do a poll, those who aren't able to attend or would prefer not to meet up in a group setting still have a voice.  I'm trying to avoid a prolonged chain of back and forth emails where everybody throws out their ideas at once and it usually ends up feeling like being in a room where everyone talks at once and nobody hears anything.  Fingers crossed.  In short, we'll figure out what the members want to do with the Gathering in either March or April.

As it's cold, snowy, nasty out and the roads are an icy/salty mess, now's the time to do the bike preparation and maintenance that you always say you're not going to put off and do before it's a scramble in April before the Gathering.  The oil's almost guaranteed to be in the sump, is it due for a change? New oil filter?  That's pretty easy.  How about the gearbox and primary?  When was the last time you changed it?  If your memory is as bad as mine, it's probably twice as long as you're guestimating it is.  That's the low hanging fruit - when's the last time you changed your fork oil?  I've never bought a used bike and not found the forks to have about an inch of peanut butter thick sludge in the bottom.  Not the best for bushings or ride quality.  Brake fluid?  Couldn't hurt, right?  If you get on a roll there's always the swing arm - 140 weight oil or grease (depending on your school of thought).  Fuel and carbs ready?  That's just the fluids.  How's the battery?  If it's not on a tender or won't hold a charge, now's the time to get a new one. Any fixes you've been putting off?  How's the wiring harness?  And then there's everyone's favorite topic: Tires.   When's the last time you took a GOOD look at them for cracked sidewalls, wear and age?  They're the only thing between you and the road and the ability to stop and turn sure is nice..... Now's the time to get some new ones if needed!

Speaking of tires, I've attached a few pics of the tires I recently took off a new-to-me bike.  As you can see, the tread looks good and they are only about 5 years old.  I didn't see any significant cracking of the sidewalls and they were still relatively soft.  However, I decided to play it safe and replace them.  The tiny round pellets of rubber and silica(?) that you see in the pics were inside the tires; that's exactly how they looked when they came off the rims. I'd never seen that before.  From what I learned from my bike shop guy who was a MSF instructor for many years, it's the inside of the tire coming apart from being ridden at too low of pressure.  The tire was failing from the inside out. My guy said he used to keep a small glass jar of the pellets to show the people in his class what could happen to their tires if they didn't check the air pressure.  Crazy stuff.  Glad I bought the new tires.

Stay warm and be well!

David B

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Subject: Was ; DVNR February Update: Now Compression test
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Hi Russ,

Does not smoke until warmed up..  Then smokes more when rev?ed not so much at idle.  As to the smoke color it does seem  more white then bluish gray but  it is hard to tell for sure.  I have only had the bike a few months and 600-800 miles.  At this point now that the compression is known good I will keep my attention focused on the carburation (for now) as the plugs say she is rich but not Super rich and then drop the needles just a tad and see how that effects the smoking and rich running.  As the smoke is only one side I doubt it is fuel related and this is really just a distraction as is the few thousand miles I have planned for this season to see if the smoking stops.  I doubt it will stop, but then next season she will only need reg service and the head work done next winter.  

Who is recommended in the US for Norton head work?  I am in Abington PA not that it maters much, but local is better.

Cheers and thanks ,
Eric

From: Russ Hunt WQ3X 
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 9:34
To: list at dvnr.org ; davidebehnken at gmail.com ; dvnr at casano.com ; ducdude 
Subject: Re: Was ; DVNR February Update: Now Compression test

Eric... When does it smoke? Is it black or white smoke? My bike (combat) smoked only at idle and on the overrun and it was white smoke that had a distinctive bad smell. It turned out to be a very loose valve guide. It was going up and down with the valve. The bike ran great though! Some bikes have had a number of valve jobs by now and if they were done by the Norton unknowing, not removing carbon from the guides before driving them out can cause scoring of the head where the valve guide goes. Oil can then be sucked down the outside of the guide. There are only a few people in the country that I would trust with doing a valve job on a Norton head right. (If it comes to that.) 
I've had mine since new and now it seems to be coming around back more and more to stock. I've found the thing it really needed the most is a link rod headsteady. After that, Tri-spark.

Russ


On Saturday, February 20, 2021, 07:03:33 PM EST, ducdude via List <list at dvnr.org> wrote: 


Well the Commando is back in the spotlight again! 
New fork tube seals and stations, progressive springs and NYC Norton seals and bushes, going in this week end.  Lots of fun stuff to find hidden in tem thar forks.

While I had the bike out I checked the compression in both cylinders to see if I could figure out why she was smoking out of the LH side ex pipe.  The good side without smoke was 122 ish psi and the bad smoking side was 125psi!  So, it seems the compression is good.  

Next we will do a leak down test to see if the valves or rings could be leaking a bit.  So far at 122-125psi that sounds pretty good to me what say the group?

Cheers,
Eric

From: ducdude via List 
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 21:18
To: Revere Robertson ; list at dvnr.org ; davidebehnken at gmail.com ; dvnr at casano.com 
Subject: Re: DVNR February Update

Damn!

Add Compression and leak down test to the list ..LOL  Actually should have done that weeks ago but she starts and run so well all I wanted to was ride.,  

Ok will report back in a few days ..

Thanks a lot..

LOL

Eric

From: Revere Robertson via List 
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 21:10
To: list at dvnr.org ; davidebehnken at gmail.com ; dvnr at casano.com 
Subject: Re: DVNR February Update

Hi Eric, Did you do a compression check on the head yet
  Todd...


-----Original Message-----
From: ducdude via List <list at dvnr.org>
To: David Behnken <davidebehnken at gmail.com>; DVNR email list <dvnr at casano.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 15, 2021 8:19 am
Subject: Re: DVNR February Update


Greetings all,

As a group FNG having only bought my new to me 850 interstate a few months ago I would like to say thank you for the warm welcome and let you know I am in favor of postponing the Gathering to later in the summer in the hope that the restrictions will ease as the inoculations take hold.  I would also support a get together someplace were we could chat about the planning with out the emails flying.  

Please do forgive my enthusiasm as this is my first Norton and will be my first Gathering so I am getting ready .  The work on my 850  has been going on in earnest for weeks:
  a.. Premiere 932  Carbs 
  b.. Pazon ignition timing adjusted 
  c.. Sealed up Ex leaks  to quell backfiring 
  d.. NYC Norton engine Breather 
  e.. Turn signals re-attached 
  f.. New brake Master cylinder - AN with smaller bore 
  g.. New Seat 
  h.. New Kicker 
  i.. Oil ?Engine, Primary gearbox, filter and seals 
  j.. Drive and primary chains  adjusted 
  k.. Valves adjusted 
  l.. LED Tail and Head light 
  m.. Fog/Driving lights 
  n.. Charging system monitor 
  o.. Fuel Tank Clean and de rust (thinking about caswell resealing) Work in progress 
  p.. Forks fork tubes using NYC bushes and seals - Work in progress 
At some point the head will probably have to come off as she smokes a bit on the LH side and it look like oil (thinking valve seals) for now I just plan to ride her a 1000-1500 miles to see if it gets worse or better as it could be the rings seating after her long slumber.  Time will tell.

Come on spring !

Cheers,
Eric


From: David Behnken 
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 0:07
To: DVNR email list 
Subject: DVNR February Update

Hello DVNR members, 

I hope this finds everyone healthy and well.  After the last few months we've had, I'm sure most of us are tired of either the cold, the snow or probably both. As we're now half way through February, hopefully warmer temperatures aren't too far off and the snow may begin to recede.  Maybe we'll get lucky and it'll even stop snowing at some point too.  

I wanted to drop a note to update everyone about current events and near future activities.  I spoke with our contact at the State Park in mid-January.  He said to check back with him at the end of February to confirm, but it was almost guaranteed that the park will NOT be available to us in April if we wanted to try to hold a Gathering of the Nortons event.  I'm sure no one is surprised. 

As such, we have a few options for the 2021 Gathering of the Nortons event: 1) cancel the event for the year 2) postpone it until later in 2021. I don't think it's a good idea or even a viable option to try to hold the event in April at another location for several reasons -- we'll never get anyone's permission, liability, who's comfortable attending and the list goes on.  

I've spoken with Todd Robertson who, along with me, has been hosting spring meetings and neither of us think it's a great idea to hold a March meeting in our houses.  As an alternative, I thought I'd throw out Dan Sellers' idea of seeing if the club was interested in finding a restaurant or diner that would give us a room for a meeting.  I know the Spinning Wheel Diner by us in the Somerset & Hunterdon County area of Jersey has a room that can probably be requested, but I'm sure there are more central locations around the majority of the members.  I'll let you guys make suggestions if you know of options.  Hopefully we'll be able to arrange something for those who wish to get together in a group setting.

I picked up a few brackets from Dave at Classic Cycle in Baptistown last Friday.  He asked what the club was doing for the Gathering and I told him basically what I said above.  He's not able to offer his shop for a Gathering of the Nortons size event, but said we were welcome to have a club get together at his shop on the third Sunday of April if we wanted.  Due to limited space, he said no cars, bikes only.  The deli across the street has good food too.  He also mentioned that it would work out great for him as he was planning on bringing his Model 18(?) to the Gathering if it had worked out.  This way he didn't even have to move it to display it.  It's a beautiful bike for those who haven't seen it.  

So, if we aren't able to plan something for March, we have something on the books for April whereby we can get together and have a discussion regarding what we want to do for the 2021 Gathering of the Nortons.  What I'd like to do is have a discussion in a group setting in March and/or April to hash out the ideas members have and then probably put out a poll to choose a plan. If we do a poll, those who aren't able to attend or would prefer not to meet up in a group setting still have a voice.  I'm trying to avoid a prolonged chain of back and forth emails where everybody throws out their ideas at once and it usually ends up feeling like being in a room where everyone talks at once and nobody hears anything.  Fingers crossed.  In short, we'll figure out what the members want to do with the Gathering in either March or April. 

As it's cold, snowy, nasty out and the roads are an icy/salty mess, now's the time to do the bike preparation and maintenance that you always say you're not going to put off and do before it's a scramble in April before the Gathering.  The oil's almost guaranteed to be in the sump, is it due for a change? New oil filter?  That's pretty easy.  How about the gearbox and primary?  When was the last time you changed it?  If your memory is as bad as mine, it's probably twice as long as you're guestimating it is.  That's the low hanging fruit - when's the last time you changed your fork oil?  I've never bought a used bike and not found the forks to have about an inch of peanut butter thick sludge in the bottom.  Not the best for bushings or ride quality.  Brake fluid?  Couldn't hurt, right?  If you get on a roll there's always the swing arm - 140 weight oil or grease (depending on your school of thought).  Fuel and carbs ready?  That's just the fluids.  How's the battery?  If it's not on a tender or won't hold a charge, now's the time to get a new one. Any fixes you've been putting off?  How's the wiring harness?  And then there's everyone's favorite topic: Tires.   When's the last time you took a GOOD look at them for cracked sidewalls, wear and age?  They're the only thing between you and the road and the ability to stop and turn sure is nice..... Now's the time to get some new ones if needed!  

Speaking of tires, I've attached a few pics of the tires I recently took off a new-to-me bike.  As you can see, the tread looks good and they are only about 5 years old.  I didn't see any significant cracking of the sidewalls and they were still relatively soft.  However, I decided to play it safe and replace them.  The tiny round pellets of rubber and silica(?) that you see in the pics were inside the tires; that's exactly how they looked when they came off the rims. I'd never seen that before.  From what I learned from my bike shop guy who was a MSF instructor for many years, it's the inside of the tire coming apart from being ridden at too low of pressure.  The tire was failing from the inside out. My guy said he used to keep a small glass jar of the pellets to show the people in his class what could happen to their tires if they didn't check the air pressure.  Crazy stuff.  Glad I bought the new tires.

Stay warm and be well!

David B   
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Cold with the throttle all the way open took 3-4 kicks bike had sat 2 weeks since last run.
 

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Hot or cold compression test?



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From: Russ Hunt WQ3X <wq3x at epix.net>
Date: Sunday, Feb 21, 2021, 9:38 AM
To: list at dvnr.org <list at dvnr.org>, davidebehnken at gmail.com <davidebehnken at gmail.com>, dvnr at casano.com <dvnr at casano.com>, ducdude <ducdude at verizon.net>
Subject: [External] Re: Was ; DVNR February Update: Now Compression test

Eric... When does it smoke? Is it black or white smoke? My bike (combat) smoked only at idle and on the overrun and it was white smoke that had a distinctive bad smell. It turned out to be a very loose valve guide. It was going up and down with the valve. The bike ran great though! Some bikes have had a number of valve jobs by now and if they were done by the Norton unknowing, not removing carbon from the guides before driving them out can cause scoring of the head where the valve guide goes. Oil can then be sucked down the outside of the guide. There are only a few people in the country that I would trust with doing a valve job on a Norton head right. (If it comes to that.) 
I've had mine since new and now it seems to be coming around back more and more to stock. I've found the thing it really needed the most is a link rod headsteady. After that, Tri-spark.

Russ


On Saturday, February 20, 2021, 07:03:33 PM EST, ducdude via List <list at dvnr.org> wrote: 


Well the Commando is back in the spotlight again! 
New fork tube seals and stations, progressive springs and NYC Norton seals and bushes, going in this week end.  Lots of fun stuff to find hidden in tem thar forks.

While I had the bike out I checked the compression in both cylinders to see if I could figure out why she was smoking out of the LH side ex pipe.  The good side without smoke was 122 ish psi and the bad smoking side was 125psi!  So, it seems the compression is good.  

Next we will do a leak down test to see if the valves or rings could be leaking a bit.  So far at 122-125psi that sounds pretty good to me what say the group?

Cheers,
Eric

From: ducdude via List 
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 21:18
To: Revere Robertson ; list at dvnr.org ; davidebehnken at gmail.com ; dvnr at casano.com 
Subject: Re: DVNR February Update

Damn!

Add Compression and leak down test to the list ..LOL  Actually should have done that weeks ago but she starts and run so well all I wanted to was ride.,  

Ok will report back in a few days ..

Thanks a lot..

LOL

Eric

From: Revere Robertson via List 
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 21:10
To: list at dvnr.org ; davidebehnken at gmail.com ; dvnr at casano.com 
Subject: Re: DVNR February Update

Hi Eric, Did you do a compression check on the head yet
  Todd...


-----Original Message-----
From: ducdude via List <list at dvnr.org>
To: David Behnken <davidebehnken at gmail.com>; DVNR email list <dvnr at casano.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 15, 2021 8:19 am
Subject: Re: DVNR February Update


Greetings all,

As a group FNG having only bought my new to me 850 interstate a few months ago I would like to say thank you for the warm welcome and let you know I am in favor of postponing the Gathering to later in the summer in the hope that the restrictions will ease as the inoculations take hold.  I would also support a get together someplace were we could chat about the planning with out the emails flying.  

Please do forgive my enthusiasm as this is my first Norton and will be my first Gathering so I am getting ready .  The work on my 850  has been going on in earnest for weeks:
  a.. Premiere 932  Carbs 
  b.. Pazon ignition timing adjusted 
  c.. Sealed up Ex leaks  to quell backfiring 
  d.. NYC Norton engine Breather 
  e.. Turn signals re-attached 
  f.. New brake Master cylinder - AN with smaller bore 
  g.. New Seat 
  h.. New Kicker 
  i.. Oil ?Engine, Primary gearbox, filter and seals 
  j.. Drive and primary chains  adjusted 
  k.. Valves adjusted 
  l.. LED Tail and Head light 
  m.. Fog/Driving lights 
  n.. Charging system monitor 
  o.. Fuel Tank Clean and de rust (thinking about caswell resealing) Work in progress 
  p.. Forks fork tubes using NYC bushes and seals - Work in progress 
At some point the head will probably have to come off as she smokes a bit on the LH side and it look like oil (thinking valve seals) for now I just plan to ride her a 1000-1500 miles to see if it gets worse or better as it could be the rings seating after her long slumber.  Time will tell.

Come on spring !

Cheers,
Eric


From: David Behnken 
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 0:07
To: DVNR email list 
Subject: DVNR February Update

Hello DVNR members, 

I hope this finds everyone healthy and well.  After the last few months we've had, I'm sure most of us are tired of either the cold, the snow or probably both. As we're now half way through February, hopefully warmer temperatures aren't too far off and the snow may begin to recede.  Maybe we'll get lucky and it'll even stop snowing at some point too.  

I wanted to drop a note to update everyone about current events and near future activities.  I spoke with our contact at the State Park in mid-January.  He said to check back with him at the end of February to confirm, but it was almost guaranteed that the park will NOT be available to us in April if we wanted to try to hold a Gathering of the Nortons event.  I'm sure no one is surprised. 

As such, we have a few options for the 2021 Gathering of the Nortons event: 1) cancel the event for the year 2) postpone it until later in 2021. I don't think it's a good idea or even a viable option to try to hold the event in April at another location for several reasons -- we'll never get anyone's permission, liability, who's comfortable attending and the list goes on.  

I've spoken with Todd Robertson who, along with me, has been hosting spring meetings and neither of us think it's a great idea to hold a March meeting in our houses.  As an alternative, I thought I'd throw out Dan Sellers' idea of seeing if the club was interested in finding a restaurant or diner that would give us a room for a meeting.  I know the Spinning Wheel Diner by us in the Somerset & Hunterdon County area of Jersey has a room that can probably be requested, but I'm sure there are more central locations around the majority of the members.  I'll let you guys make suggestions if you know of options.  Hopefully we'll be able to arrange something for those who wish to get together in a group setting.

I picked up a few brackets from Dave at Classic Cycle in Baptistown last Friday.  He asked what the club was doing for the Gathering and I told him basically what I said above.  He's not able to offer his shop for a Gathering of the Nortons size event, but said we were welcome to have a club get together at his shop on the third Sunday of April if we wanted.  Due to limited space, he said no cars, bikes only.  The deli across the street has good food too.  He also mentioned that it would work out great for him as he was planning on bringing his Model 18(?) to the Gathering if it had worked out.  This way he didn't even have to move it to display it.  It's a beautiful bike for those who haven't seen it.  

So, if we aren't able to plan something for March, we have something on the books for April whereby we can get together and have a discussion regarding what we want to do for the 2021 Gathering of the Nortons.  What I'd like to do is have a discussion in a group setting in March and/or April to hash out the ideas members have and then probably put out a poll to choose a plan. If we do a poll, those who aren't able to attend or would prefer not to meet up in a group setting still have a voice.  I'm trying to avoid a prolonged chain of back and forth emails where everybody throws out their ideas at once and it usually ends up feeling like being in a room where everyone talks at once and nobody hears anything.  Fingers crossed.  In short, we'll figure out what the members want to do with the Gathering in either March or April. 

As it's cold, snowy, nasty out and the roads are an icy/salty mess, now's the time to do the bike preparation and maintenance that you always say you're not going to put off and do before it's a scramble in April before the Gathering.  The oil's almost guaranteed to be in the sump, is it due for a change? New oil filter?  That's pretty easy.  How about the gearbox and primary?  When was the last time you changed it?  If your memory is as bad as mine, it's probably twice as long as you're guestimating it is.  That's the low hanging fruit - when's the last time you changed your fork oil?  I've never bought a used bike and not found the forks to have about an inch of peanut butter thick sludge in the bottom.  Not the best for bushings or ride quality.  Brake fluid?  Couldn't hurt, right?  If you get on a roll there's always the swing arm - 140 weight oil or grease (depending on your school of thought).  Fuel and carbs ready?  That's just the fluids.  How's the battery?  If it's not on a tender or won't hold a charge, now's the time to get a new one. Any fixes you've been putting off?  How's the wiring harness?  And then there's everyone's favorite topic: Tires.   When's the last time you took a GOOD look at them for cracked sidewalls, wear and age?  They're the only thing between you and the road and the ability to stop and turn sure is nice..... Now's the time to get some new ones if needed!  

Speaking of tires, I've attached a few pics of the tires I recently took off a new-to-me bike.  As you can see, the tread looks good and they are only about 5 years old.  I didn't see any significant cracking of the sidewalls and they were still relatively soft.  However, I decided to play it safe and replace them.  The tiny round pellets of rubber and silica(?) that you see in the pics were inside the tires; that's exactly how they looked when they came off the rims. I'd never seen that before.  From what I learned from my bike shop guy who was a MSF instructor for many years, it's the inside of the tire coming apart from being ridden at too low of pressure.  The tire was failing from the inside out. My guy said he used to keep a small glass jar of the pellets to show the people in his class what could happen to their tires if they didn't check the air pressure.  Crazy stuff.  Glad I bought the new tires.

Stay warm and be well!

David B   
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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2021 19:12:59 +0000 (UTC)
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Yes. I am as well


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Not me.

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From dud at casano.com  Sun Feb 21 14:56:47 2021
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Probably because people are sending to the old list.

Send ONLY TO dvnr at casano.com.

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From EDunham at eckertseamans.com  Sun Feb 21 15:38:46 2021
From: EDunham at eckertseamans.com (Edgar Alden Dunham, IV)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2021 20:38:46 +0000
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Eric, for headwork in our area, Randy Long, 610-286-5870. He does great work and his prices are good. He is old school and does not have an internet presence. Most of the BMW, Moto Guzzi and Harley shops use him. He fixed up a pretty bad Parilla head for me last year. He is getting my Velo head later this year.


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From: ducdude via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com<mailto:dvnr at casano.com>>
Date: Sunday, Feb 21, 2021, 12:14 PM
To: Russ Hunt WQ3X <wq3x at epix.net<mailto:wq3x at epix.net>>, list at dvnr.org <list at dvnr.org<mailto:list at dvnr.org>>, davidebehnken at gmail.com <davidebehnken at gmail.com<mailto:davidebehnken at gmail.com>>, dvnr at casano.com <dvnr at casano.com<mailto:dvnr at casano.com>>
Subject: [External] Re: Was ; DVNR February Update: Now Compression test

Hi Russ,

Does not smoke until warmed up..  Then smokes more when rev?ed not so much at idle.  As to the smoke color it does seem  more white then bluish gray but  it is hard to tell for sure.  I have only had the bike a few months and 600-800 miles.  At this point now that the compression is known good I will keep my attention focused on the carburation (for now) as the plugs say she is rich but not Super rich and then drop the needles just a tad and see how that effects the smoking and rich running.  As the smoke is only one side I doubt it is fuel related and this is really just a distraction as is the few thousand miles I have planned for this season to see if the smoking stops.  I doubt it will stop, but then next season she will only need reg service and the head work done next winter.

Who is recommended in the US for Norton head work?  I am in Abington PA not that it maters much, but local is better.

Cheers and thanks ,
Eric

From: Russ Hunt WQ3X
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 9:34
To: list at dvnr.org ; davidebehnken at gmail.com ; dvnr at casano.com ; ducdude
Subject: Re: Was ; DVNR February Update: Now Compression test

Eric... When does it smoke? Is it black or white smoke? My bike (combat) smoked only at idle and on the overrun and it was white smoke that had a distinctive bad smell. It turned out to be a very loose valve guide. It was going up and down with the valve. The bike ran great though! Some bikes have had a number of valve jobs by now and if they were done by the Norton unknowing, not removing carbon from the guides before driving them out can cause scoring of the head where the valve guide goes. Oil can then be sucked down the outside of the guide. There are only a few people in the country that I would trust with doing a valve job on a Norton head right. (If it comes to that.)
I've had mine since new and now it seems to be coming around back more and more to stock. I've found the thing it really needed the most is a link rod headsteady. After that, Tri-spark.

Russ


On Saturday, February 20, 2021, 07:03:33 PM EST, ducdude via List <list at dvnr.org> wrote:


Well the Commando is back in the spotlight again!
New fork tube seals and stations, progressive springs and NYC Norton seals and bushes, going in this week end.  Lots of fun stuff to find hidden in tem thar forks.

While I had the bike out I checked the compression in both cylinders to see if I could figure out why she was smoking out of the LH side ex pipe.  The good side without smoke was 122 ish psi and the bad smoking side was 125psi!  So, it seems the compression is good.

Next we will do a leak down test to see if the valves or rings could be leaking a bit.  So far at 122-125psi that sounds pretty good to me what say the group?

Cheers,
Eric

From: ducdude via List
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 21:18
To: Revere Robertson ; list at dvnr.org ; davidebehnken at gmail.com ; dvnr at casano.com
Subject: Re: DVNR February Update

Damn!

Add Compression and leak down test to the list ..LOL  Actually should have done that weeks ago but she starts and run so well all I wanted to was ride.,

Ok will report back in a few days ..

Thanks a lot..

LOL

Eric

From: Revere Robertson via List
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 21:10
To: list at dvnr.org ; davidebehnken at gmail.com ; dvnr at casano.com
Subject: Re: DVNR February Update

Hi Eric, Did you do a compression check on the head yet
  Todd...


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To: David Behnken <davidebehnken at gmail.com>; DVNR email list <dvnr at casano.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 15, 2021 8:19 am
Subject: Re: DVNR February Update

Greetings all,

As a group FNG having only bought my new to me 850 interstate a few months ago I would like to say thank you for the warm welcome and let you know I am in favor of postponing the Gathering to later in the summer in the hope that the restrictions will ease as the inoculations take hold.  I would also support a get together someplace were we could chat about the planning with out the emails flying.

Please do forgive my enthusiasm as this is my first Norton and will be my first Gathering so I am getting ready .  The work on my 850  has been going on in earnest for weeks:

  *   Premiere 932  Carbs
  *   Pazon ignition timing adjusted
  *   Sealed up Ex leaks  to quell backfiring
  *   NYC Norton engine Breather
  *   Turn signals re-attached
  *   New brake Master cylinder - AN with smaller bore
  *   New Seat
  *   New Kicker
  *   Oil ?Engine, Primary gearbox, filter and seals
  *   Drive and primary chains  adjusted
  *   Valves adjusted
  *   LED Tail and Head light
  *   Fog/Driving lights
  *   Charging system monitor
  *   Fuel Tank Clean and de rust (thinking about caswell resealing) Work in progress
  *   Forks fork tubes using NYC bushes and seals - Work in progress

At some point the head will probably have to come off as she smokes a bit on the LH side and it look like oil (thinking valve seals) for now I just plan to ride her a 1000-1500 miles to see if it gets worse or better as it could be the rings seating after her long slumber.  Time will tell.

Come on spring !

Cheers,
Eric


From: David Behnken
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 0:07
To: DVNR email list
Subject: DVNR February Update

Hello DVNR members,

I hope this finds everyone healthy and well.  After the last few months we've had, I'm sure most of us are tired of either the cold, the snow or probably both. As we're now half way through February, hopefully warmer temperatures aren't too far off and the snow may begin to recede.  Maybe we'll get lucky and it'll even stop snowing at some point too.

I wanted to drop a note to update everyone about current events and near future activities.  I spoke with our contact at the State Park in mid-January.  He said to check back with him at the end of February to confirm, but it was almost guaranteed that the park will NOT be available to us in April if we wanted to try to hold a Gathering of the Nortons event.  I'm sure no one is surprised.

As such, we have a few options for the 2021 Gathering of the Nortons event: 1) cancel the event for the year 2) postpone it until later in 2021. I don't think it's a good idea or even a viable option to try to hold the event in April at another location for several reasons -- we'll never get anyone's permission, liability, who's comfortable attending and the list goes on.

I've spoken with Todd Robertson who, along with me, has been hosting spring meetings and neither of us think it's a great idea to hold a March meeting in our houses.  As an alternative, I thought I'd throw out Dan Sellers' idea of seeing if the club was interested in finding a restaurant or diner that would give us a room for a meeting.  I know the Spinning Wheel Diner by us in the Somerset & Hunterdon County area of Jersey has a room that can probably be requested, but I'm sure there are more central locations around the majority of the members.  I'll let you guys make suggestions if you know of options.  Hopefully we'll be able to arrange something for those who wish to get together in a group setting.

I picked up a few brackets from Dave at Classic Cycle in Baptistown last Friday.  He asked what the club was doing for the Gathering and I told him basically what I said above.  He's not able to offer his shop for a Gathering of the Nortons size event, but said we were welcome to have a club get together at his shop on the third Sunday of April if we wanted.  Due to limited space, he said no cars, bikes only.  The deli across the street has good food too.  He also mentioned that it would work out great for him as he was planning on bringing his Model 18(?) to the Gathering if it had worked out.  This way he didn't even have to move it to display it.  It's a beautiful bike for those who haven't seen it.

So, if we aren't able to plan something for March, we have something on the books for April whereby we can get together and have a discussion regarding what we want to do for the 2021 Gathering of the Nortons.  What I'd like to do is have a discussion in a group setting in March and/or April to hash out the ideas members have and then probably put out a poll to choose a plan. If we do a poll, those who aren't able to attend or would prefer not to meet up in a group setting still have a voice.  I'm trying to avoid a prolonged chain of back and forth emails where everybody throws out their ideas at once and it usually ends up feeling like being in a room where everyone talks at once and nobody hears anything.  Fingers crossed.  In short, we'll figure out what the members want to do with the Gathering in either March or April.

As it's cold, snowy, nasty out and the roads are an icy/salty mess, now's the time to do the bike preparation and maintenance that you always say you're not going to put off and do before it's a scramble in April before the Gathering.  The oil's almost guaranteed to be in the sump, is it due for a change? New oil filter?  That's pretty easy.  How about the gearbox and primary?  When was the last time you changed it?  If your memory is as bad as mine, it's probably twice as long as you're guestimating it is.  That's the low hanging fruit - when's the last time you changed your fork oil?  I've never bought a used bike and not found the forks to have about an inch of peanut butter thick sludge in the bottom.  Not the best for bushings or ride quality.  Brake fluid?  Couldn't hurt, right?  If you get on a roll there's always the swing arm - 140 weight oil or grease (depending on your school of thought).  Fuel and carbs ready?  That's just the fluids.  How's the battery?  If it's not on a tender or won't hold a charge, now's the time to get a new one. Any fixes you've been putting off?  How's the wiring harness?  And then there's everyone's favorite topic: Tires.   When's the last time you took a GOOD look at them for cracked sidewalls, wear and age?  They're the only thing between you and the road and the ability to stop and turn sure is nice..... Now's the time to get some new ones if needed!

Speaking of tires, I've attached a few pics of the tires I recently took off a new-to-me bike.  As you can see, the tread looks good and they are only about 5 years old.  I didn't see any significant cracking of the sidewalls and they were still relatively soft.  However, I decided to play it safe and replace them.  The tiny round pellets of rubber and silica(?) that you see in the pics were inside the tires; that's exactly how they looked when they came off the rims. I'd never seen that before.  From what I learned from my bike shop guy who was a MSF instructor for many years, it's the inside of the tire coming apart from being ridden at too low of pressure.  The tire was failing from the inside out. My guy said he used to keep a small glass jar of the pellets to show the people in his class what could happen to their tires if they didn't check the air pressure.  Crazy stuff.  Glad I bought the new tires.

Stay warm and be well!

David B

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From ducdude at verizon.net  Sun Feb 21 17:32:41 2021
From: ducdude at verizon.net (ducdude)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2021 17:32:41 -0500
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Thanks Edger !  I called Randy today to ask if he worked on Nortons  as He did My Vincent heads as well as my R69s, so I am glad he does Norton's as well, I have always been happy with his work.

Hmmm so he does Velos too eh  I Did not know that ??  Perhaps it is time for my Venom to get some love too:-)  Thanks much,

Cheers,
Eric

From: Edgar Alden Dunham, IV 
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 15:38
To: ducdude ; Russ Hunt WQ3X ; list at dvnr.org ; davidebehnken at gmail.com ; dvnr at casano.com 
Subject: RE: [External] Re: Was ; DVNR February Update: Now Compression test


Eric, for headwork in our area, Randy Long, 610-286-5870. He does great work and his prices are good. He is old school and does not have an internet presence. Most of the BMW, Moto Guzzi and Harley shops use him. He fixed up a pretty bad Parilla head for me last year. He is getting my Velo head later this year.



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      T: 609-989-5021    C: 609-610-4319     F: 609-392-7956 


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From: ducdude via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com>
Date: Sunday, Feb 21, 2021, 12:14 PM
To: Russ Hunt WQ3X <wq3x at epix.net>, list at dvnr.org <list at dvnr.org>, davidebehnken at gmail.com <davidebehnken at gmail.com>, dvnr at casano.com <dvnr at casano.com>
Subject: [External] Re: Was ; DVNR February Update: Now Compression test

Hi Russ,

Does not smoke until warmed up..  Then smokes more when rev?ed not so much at idle.  As to the smoke color it does seem  more white then bluish gray but  it is hard to tell for sure.  I have only had the bike a few months and 600-800 miles.  At this point now that the compression is known good I will keep my attention focused on the carburation (for now) as the plugs say she is rich but not Super rich and then drop the needles just a tad and see how that effects the smoking and rich running.  As the smoke is only one side I doubt it is fuel related and this is really just a distraction as is the few thousand miles I have planned for this season to see if the smoking stops.  I doubt it will stop, but then next season she will only need reg service and the head work done next winter.  

Who is recommended in the US for Norton head work?  I am in Abington PA not that it maters much, but local is better.

Cheers and thanks ,
Eric

From: Russ Hunt WQ3X 
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 9:34
To: list at dvnr.org ; davidebehnken at gmail.com ; dvnr at casano.com ; ducdude 
Subject: Re: Was ; DVNR February Update: Now Compression test

Eric... When does it smoke? Is it black or white smoke? My bike (combat) smoked only at idle and on the overrun and it was white smoke that had a distinctive bad smell. It turned out to be a very loose valve guide. It was going up and down with the valve. The bike ran great though! Some bikes have had a number of valve jobs by now and if they were done by the Norton unknowing, not removing carbon from the guides before driving them out can cause scoring of the head where the valve guide goes. Oil can then be sucked down the outside of the guide. There are only a few people in the country that I would trust with doing a valve job on a Norton head right. (If it comes to that.) 
I've had mine since new and now it seems to be coming around back more and more to stock. I've found the thing it really needed the most is a link rod headsteady. After that, Tri-spark.

Russ


On Saturday, February 20, 2021, 07:03:33 PM EST, ducdude via List <list at dvnr.org> wrote: 


Well the Commando is back in the spotlight again! 
New fork tube seals and stations, progressive springs and NYC Norton seals and bushes, going in this week end.  Lots of fun stuff to find hidden in tem thar forks.

While I had the bike out I checked the compression in both cylinders to see if I could figure out why she was smoking out of the LH side ex pipe.  The good side without smoke was 122 ish psi and the bad smoking side was 125psi!  So, it seems the compression is good.  

Next we will do a leak down test to see if the valves or rings could be leaking a bit.  So far at 122-125psi that sounds pretty good to me what say the group?

Cheers,
Eric

From: ducdude via List 
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 21:18
To: Revere Robertson ; list at dvnr.org ; davidebehnken at gmail.com ; dvnr at casano.com 
Subject: Re: DVNR February Update

Damn!

Add Compression and leak down test to the list ..LOL  Actually should have done that weeks ago but she starts and run so well all I wanted to was ride.,  

Ok will report back in a few days ..

Thanks a lot..

LOL

Eric

From: Revere Robertson via List 
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 21:10
To: list at dvnr.org ; davidebehnken at gmail.com ; dvnr at casano.com 
Subject: Re: DVNR February Update

Hi Eric, Did you do a compression check on the head yet
  Todd...


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From: ducdude via List <list at dvnr.org>
To: David Behnken <davidebehnken at gmail.com>; DVNR email list <dvnr at casano.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 15, 2021 8:19 am
Subject: Re: DVNR February Update


Greetings all,

As a group FNG having only bought my new to me 850 interstate a few months ago I would like to say thank you for the warm welcome and let you know I am in favor of postponing the Gathering to later in the summer in the hope that the restrictions will ease as the inoculations take hold.  I would also support a get together someplace were we could chat about the planning with out the emails flying.  

Please do forgive my enthusiasm as this is my first Norton and will be my first Gathering so I am getting ready .  The work on my 850  has been going on in earnest for weeks:
  a.. Premiere 932  Carbs 
  b.. Pazon ignition timing adjusted 
  c.. Sealed up Ex leaks  to quell backfiring 
  d.. NYC Norton engine Breather 
  e.. Turn signals re-attached 
  f.. New brake Master cylinder - AN with smaller bore 
  g.. New Seat 
  h.. New Kicker 
  i.. Oil ?Engine, Primary gearbox, filter and seals 
  j.. Drive and primary chains  adjusted 
  k.. Valves adjusted 
  l.. LED Tail and Head light 
  m.. Fog/Driving lights 
  n.. Charging system monitor 
  o.. Fuel Tank Clean and de rust (thinking about caswell resealing) Work in progress 
  p.. Forks fork tubes using NYC bushes and seals - Work in progress 
At some point the head will probably have to come off as she smokes a bit on the LH side and it look like oil (thinking valve seals) for now I just plan to ride her a 1000-1500 miles to see if it gets worse or better as it could be the rings seating after her long slumber.  Time will tell.

Come on spring !

Cheers,
Eric


From: David Behnken 
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 0:07
To: DVNR email list 
Subject: DVNR February Update

Hello DVNR members, 

I hope this finds everyone healthy and well.  After the last few months we've had, I'm sure most of us are tired of either the cold, the snow or probably both. As we're now half way through February, hopefully warmer temperatures aren't too far off and the snow may begin to recede.  Maybe we'll get lucky and it'll even stop snowing at some point too.  

I wanted to drop a note to update everyone about current events and near future activities.  I spoke with our contact at the State Park in mid-January.  He said to check back with him at the end of February to confirm, but it was almost guaranteed that the park will NOT be available to us in April if we wanted to try to hold a Gathering of the Nortons event.  I'm sure no one is surprised. 

As such, we have a few options for the 2021 Gathering of the Nortons event: 1) cancel the event for the year 2) postpone it until later in 2021. I don't think it's a good idea or even a viable option to try to hold the event in April at another location for several reasons -- we'll never get anyone's permission, liability, who's comfortable attending and the list goes on.  

I've spoken with Todd Robertson who, along with me, has been hosting spring meetings and neither of us think it's a great idea to hold a March meeting in our houses.  As an alternative, I thought I'd throw out Dan Sellers' idea of seeing if the club was interested in finding a restaurant or diner that would give us a room for a meeting.  I know the Spinning Wheel Diner by us in the Somerset & Hunterdon County area of Jersey has a room that can probably be requested, but I'm sure there are more central locations around the majority of the members.  I'll let you guys make suggestions if you know of options.  Hopefully we'll be able to arrange something for those who wish to get together in a group setting.

I picked up a few brackets from Dave at Classic Cycle in Baptistown last Friday.  He asked what the club was doing for the Gathering and I told him basically what I said above.  He's not able to offer his shop for a Gathering of the Nortons size event, but said we were welcome to have a club get together at his shop on the third Sunday of April if we wanted.  Due to limited space, he said no cars, bikes only.  The deli across the street has good food too.  He also mentioned that it would work out great for him as he was planning on bringing his Model 18(?) to the Gathering if it had worked out.  This way he didn't even have to move it to display it.  It's a beautiful bike for those who haven't seen it.  

So, if we aren't able to plan something for March, we have something on the books for April whereby we can get together and have a discussion regarding what we want to do for the 2021 Gathering of the Nortons.  What I'd like to do is have a discussion in a group setting in March and/or April to hash out the ideas members have and then probably put out a poll to choose a plan. If we do a poll, those who aren't able to attend or would prefer not to meet up in a group setting still have a voice.  I'm trying to avoid a prolonged chain of back and forth emails where everybody throws out their ideas at once and it usually ends up feeling like being in a room where everyone talks at once and nobody hears anything.  Fingers crossed.  In short, we'll figure out what the members want to do with the Gathering in either March or April. 

As it's cold, snowy, nasty out and the roads are an icy/salty mess, now's the time to do the bike preparation and maintenance that you always say you're not going to put off and do before it's a scramble in April before the Gathering.  The oil's almost guaranteed to be in the sump, is it due for a change? New oil filter?  That's pretty easy.  How about the gearbox and primary?  When was the last time you changed it?  If your memory is as bad as mine, it's probably twice as long as you're guestimating it is.  That's the low hanging fruit - when's the last time you changed your fork oil?  I've never bought a used bike and not found the forks to have about an inch of peanut butter thick sludge in the bottom.  Not the best for bushings or ride quality.  Brake fluid?  Couldn't hurt, right?  If you get on a roll there's always the swing arm - 140 weight oil or grease (depending on your school of thought).  Fuel and carbs ready?  That's just the fluids.  How's the battery?  If it's not on a tender or won't hold a charge, now's the time to get a new one. Any fixes you've been putting off?  How's the wiring harness?  And then there's everyone's favorite topic: Tires.   When's the last time you took a GOOD look at them for cracked sidewalls, wear and age?  They're the only thing between you and the road and the ability to stop and turn sure is nice..... Now's the time to get some new ones if needed!  

Speaking of tires, I've attached a few pics of the tires I recently took off a new-to-me bike.  As you can see, the tread looks good and they are only about 5 years old.  I didn't see any significant cracking of the sidewalls and they were still relatively soft.  However, I decided to play it safe and replace them.  The tiny round pellets of rubber and silica(?) that you see in the pics were inside the tires; that's exactly how they looked when they came off the rims. I'd never seen that before.  From what I learned from my bike shop guy who was a MSF instructor for many years, it's the inside of the tire coming apart from being ridden at too low of pressure.  The tire was failing from the inside out. My guy said he used to keep a small glass jar of the pellets to show the people in his class what could happen to their tires if they didn't check the air pressure.  Crazy stuff.  Glad I bought the new tires.

Stay warm and be well!

David B   
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From EDunham at eckertseamans.com  Sun Feb 21 21:25:48 2021
From: EDunham at eckertseamans.com (Edgar Alden Dunham, IV)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 02:25:48 +0000
Subject: [External] Re: Was ; DVNR February Update: Now Compression test
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He is a talented old school kind of guy!


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T: 609-989-5021    C: 609-610-4319     F: 609-392-7956

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From: ducdude <ducdude at verizon.net<mailto:ducdude at verizon.net>>
Date: Sunday, Feb 21, 2021, 5:32 PM
To: Edgar Alden Dunham, IV <EDunham at eckertseamans.com<mailto:EDunham at eckertseamans.com>>, Russ Hunt WQ3X <wq3x at epix.net<mailto:wq3x at epix.net>>, list at dvnr.org <list at dvnr.org<mailto:list at dvnr.org>>, davidebehnken at gmail.com <davidebehnken at gmail.com<mailto:davidebehnken at gmail.com>>, dvnr at casano.com <dvnr at casano.com<mailto:dvnr at casano.com>>
Subject: Re: [External] Re: Was ; DVNR February Update: Now Compression test

Thanks Edger !  I called Randy today to ask if he worked on Nortons  as He did My Vincent heads as well as my R69s, so I am glad he does Norton's as well, I have always been happy with his work.

Hmmm so he does Velos too eh  I Did not know that ??  Perhaps it is time for my Venom to get some love too:-)  Thanks much,

Cheers,
Eric

From: Edgar Alden Dunham, IV
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Subject: RE: [External] Re: Was ; DVNR February Update: Now Compression test


Eric, for headwork in our area, Randy Long, 610-286-5870. He does great work and his prices are good. He is old school and does not have an internet presence. Most of the BMW, Moto Guzzi and Harley shops use him. He fixed up a pretty bad Parilla head for me last year. He is getting my Velo head later this year.


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From: ducdude via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com>
Date: Sunday, Feb 21, 2021, 12:14 PM
To: Russ Hunt WQ3X <wq3x at epix.net>, list at dvnr.org <list at dvnr.org>, davidebehnken at gmail.com <davidebehnken at gmail.com>, dvnr at casano.com <dvnr at casano.com>
Subject: [External] Re: Was ; DVNR February Update: Now Compression test

Hi Russ,

Does not smoke until warmed up..  Then smokes more when rev?ed not so much at idle.  As to the smoke color it does seem  more white then bluish gray but  it is hard to tell for sure.  I have only had the bike a few months and 600-800 miles.  At this point now that the compression is known good I will keep my attention focused on the carburation (for now) as the plugs say she is rich but not Super rich and then drop the needles just a tad and see how that effects the smoking and rich running.  As the smoke is only one side I doubt it is fuel related and this is really just a distraction as is the few thousand miles I have planned for this season to see if the smoking stops.  I doubt it will stop, but then next season she will only need reg service and the head work done next winter.

Who is recommended in the US for Norton head work?  I am in Abington PA not that it maters much, but local is better.

Cheers and thanks ,
Eric

From: Russ Hunt WQ3X
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 9:34
To: list at dvnr.org ; davidebehnken at gmail.com ; dvnr at casano.com ; ducdude
Subject: Re: Was ; DVNR February Update: Now Compression test

Eric... When does it smoke? Is it black or white smoke? My bike (combat) smoked only at idle and on the overrun and it was white smoke that had a distinctive bad smell. It turned out to be a very loose valve guide. It was going up and down with the valve. The bike ran great though! Some bikes have had a number of valve jobs by now and if they were done by the Norton unknowing, not removing carbon from the guides before driving them out can cause scoring of the head where the valve guide goes. Oil can then be sucked down the outside of the guide. There are only a few people in the country that I would trust with doing a valve job on a Norton head right. (If it comes to that.)
I've had mine since new and now it seems to be coming around back more and more to stock. I've found the thing it really needed the most is a link rod headsteady. After that, Tri-spark.

Russ


On Saturday, February 20, 2021, 07:03:33 PM EST, ducdude via List <list at dvnr.org> wrote:


Well the Commando is back in the spotlight again!
New fork tube seals and stations, progressive springs and NYC Norton seals and bushes, going in this week end.  Lots of fun stuff to find hidden in tem thar forks.

While I had the bike out I checked the compression in both cylinders to see if I could figure out why she was smoking out of the LH side ex pipe.  The good side without smoke was 122 ish psi and the bad smoking side was 125psi!  So, it seems the compression is good.

Next we will do a leak down test to see if the valves or rings could be leaking a bit.  So far at 122-125psi that sounds pretty good to me what say the group?

Cheers,
Eric

From: ducdude via List
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 21:18
To: Revere Robertson ; list at dvnr.org ; davidebehnken at gmail.com ; dvnr at casano.com
Subject: Re: DVNR February Update

Damn!

Add Compression and leak down test to the list ..LOL  Actually should have done that weeks ago but she starts and run so well all I wanted to was ride.,

Ok will report back in a few days ..

Thanks a lot..

LOL

Eric

From: Revere Robertson via List
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 21:10
To: list at dvnr.org ; davidebehnken at gmail.com ; dvnr at casano.com
Subject: Re: DVNR February Update

Hi Eric, Did you do a compression check on the head yet
  Todd...


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From: ducdude via List <list at dvnr.org>
To: David Behnken <davidebehnken at gmail.com>; DVNR email list <dvnr at casano.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 15, 2021 8:19 am
Subject: Re: DVNR February Update

Greetings all,

As a group FNG having only bought my new to me 850 interstate a few months ago I would like to say thank you for the warm welcome and let you know I am in favor of postponing the Gathering to later in the summer in the hope that the restrictions will ease as the inoculations take hold.  I would also support a get together someplace were we could chat about the planning with out the emails flying.

Please do forgive my enthusiasm as this is my first Norton and will be my first Gathering so I am getting ready .  The work on my 850  has been going on in earnest for weeks:

  *   Premiere 932  Carbs
  *   Pazon ignition timing adjusted
  *   Sealed up Ex leaks  to quell backfiring
  *   NYC Norton engine Breather
  *   Turn signals re-attached
  *   New brake Master cylinder - AN with smaller bore
  *   New Seat
  *   New Kicker
  *   Oil ?Engine, Primary gearbox, filter and seals
  *   Drive and primary chains  adjusted
  *   Valves adjusted
  *   LED Tail and Head light
  *   Fog/Driving lights
  *   Charging system monitor
  *   Fuel Tank Clean and de rust (thinking about caswell resealing) Work in progress
  *   Forks fork tubes using NYC bushes and seals - Work in progress

At some point the head will probably have to come off as she smokes a bit on the LH side and it look like oil (thinking valve seals) for now I just plan to ride her a 1000-1500 miles to see if it gets worse or better as it could be the rings seating after her long slumber.  Time will tell.

Come on spring !

Cheers,
Eric


From: David Behnken
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 0:07
To: DVNR email list
Subject: DVNR February Update

Hello DVNR members,

I hope this finds everyone healthy and well.  After the last few months we've had, I'm sure most of us are tired of either the cold, the snow or probably both. As we're now half way through February, hopefully warmer temperatures aren't too far off and the snow may begin to recede.  Maybe we'll get lucky and it'll even stop snowing at some point too.

I wanted to drop a note to update everyone about current events and near future activities.  I spoke with our contact at the State Park in mid-January.  He said to check back with him at the end of February to confirm, but it was almost guaranteed that the park will NOT be available to us in April if we wanted to try to hold a Gathering of the Nortons event.  I'm sure no one is surprised.

As such, we have a few options for the 2021 Gathering of the Nortons event: 1) cancel the event for the year 2) postpone it until later in 2021. I don't think it's a good idea or even a viable option to try to hold the event in April at another location for several reasons -- we'll never get anyone's permission, liability, who's comfortable attending and the list goes on.

I've spoken with Todd Robertson who, along with me, has been hosting spring meetings and neither of us think it's a great idea to hold a March meeting in our houses.  As an alternative, I thought I'd throw out Dan Sellers' idea of seeing if the club was interested in finding a restaurant or diner that would give us a room for a meeting.  I know the Spinning Wheel Diner by us in the Somerset & Hunterdon County area of Jersey has a room that can probably be requested, but I'm sure there are more central locations around the majority of the members.  I'll let you guys make suggestions if you know of options.  Hopefully we'll be able to arrange something for those who wish to get together in a group setting.

I picked up a few brackets from Dave at Classic Cycle in Baptistown last Friday.  He asked what the club was doing for the Gathering and I told him basically what I said above.  He's not able to offer his shop for a Gathering of the Nortons size event, but said we were welcome to have a club get together at his shop on the third Sunday of April if we wanted.  Due to limited space, he said no cars, bikes only.  The deli across the street has good food too.  He also mentioned that it would work out great for him as he was planning on bringing his Model 18(?) to the Gathering if it had worked out.  This way he didn't even have to move it to display it.  It's a beautiful bike for those who haven't seen it.

So, if we aren't able to plan something for March, we have something on the books for April whereby we can get together and have a discussion regarding what we want to do for the 2021 Gathering of the Nortons.  What I'd like to do is have a discussion in a group setting in March and/or April to hash out the ideas members have and then probably put out a poll to choose a plan. If we do a poll, those who aren't able to attend or would prefer not to meet up in a group setting still have a voice.  I'm trying to avoid a prolonged chain of back and forth emails where everybody throws out their ideas at once and it usually ends up feeling like being in a room where everyone talks at once and nobody hears anything.  Fingers crossed.  In short, we'll figure out what the members want to do with the Gathering in either March or April.

As it's cold, snowy, nasty out and the roads are an icy/salty mess, now's the time to do the bike preparation and maintenance that you always say you're not going to put off and do before it's a scramble in April before the Gathering.  The oil's almost guaranteed to be in the sump, is it due for a change? New oil filter?  That's pretty easy.  How about the gearbox and primary?  When was the last time you changed it?  If your memory is as bad as mine, it's probably twice as long as you're guestimating it is.  That's the low hanging fruit - when's the last time you changed your fork oil?  I've never bought a used bike and not found the forks to have about an inch of peanut butter thick sludge in the bottom.  Not the best for bushings or ride quality.  Brake fluid?  Couldn't hurt, right?  If you get on a roll there's always the swing arm - 140 weight oil or grease (depending on your school of thought).  Fuel and carbs ready?  That's just the fluids.  How's the battery?  If it's not on a tender or won't hold a charge, now's the time to get a new one. Any fixes you've been putting off?  How's the wiring harness?  And then there's everyone's favorite topic: Tires.   When's the last time you took a GOOD look at them for cracked sidewalls, wear and age?  They're the only thing between you and the road and the ability to stop and turn sure is nice..... Now's the time to get some new ones if needed!

Speaking of tires, I've attached a few pics of the tires I recently took off a new-to-me bike.  As you can see, the tread looks good and they are only about 5 years old.  I didn't see any significant cracking of the sidewalls and they were still relatively soft.  However, I decided to play it safe and replace them.  The tiny round pellets of rubber and silica(?) that you see in the pics were inside the tires; that's exactly how they looked when they came off the rims. I'd never seen that before.  From what I learned from my bike shop guy who was a MSF instructor for many years, it's the inside of the tire coming apart from being ridden at too low of pressure.  The tire was failing from the inside out. My guy said he used to keep a small glass jar of the pellets to show the people in his class what could happen to their tires if they didn't check the air pressure.  Crazy stuff.  Glad I bought the new tires.

Stay warm and be well!

David B
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From ducdude at verizon.net  Sun Feb 21 21:39:06 2021
From: ducdude at verizon.net (ducdude)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2021 21:39:06 -0500
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Yes he is a very gracious old school kind of guy.  I once spent a brief minute talking to him in his shop for what turned out to be many hours:-)   

I figure out if I just shut up I could really learn a lot..

Cheers,
Eric

From: Edgar Alden Dunham, IV 
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 21:25
To: ducdude ; Russ Hunt WQ3X ; list at dvnr.org ; davidebehnken at gmail.com ; dvnr at casano.com 
Subject: RE: [External] Re: Was ; DVNR February Update: Now Compression test


He is a talented old school kind of guy!



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      Edgar Alden Dunham, IV, Associate
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      Princeton Pike Corporate Center, Suite 203, 2000 Lenox Dr.  |  Lawrenceville, NJ 08648

      T: 609-989-5021    C: 609-610-4319     F: 609-392-7956 


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From: ducdude <ducdude at verizon.net>
Date: Sunday, Feb 21, 2021, 5:32 PM
To: Edgar Alden Dunham, IV <EDunham at eckertseamans.com>, Russ Hunt WQ3X <wq3x at epix.net>, list at dvnr.org <list at dvnr.org>, davidebehnken at gmail.com <davidebehnken at gmail.com>, dvnr at casano.com <dvnr at casano.com>
Subject: Re: [External] Re: Was ; DVNR February Update: Now Compression test

Thanks Edger !  I called Randy today to ask if he worked on Nortons  as He did My Vincent heads as well as my R69s, so I am glad he does Norton's as well, I have always been happy with his work.

Hmmm so he does Velos too eh  I Did not know that ??  Perhaps it is time for my Venom to get some love too:-)  Thanks much,

Cheers,
Eric

From: Edgar Alden Dunham, IV 
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 15:38
To: ducdude ; Russ Hunt WQ3X ; list at dvnr.org ; davidebehnken at gmail.com ; dvnr at casano.com 
Subject: RE: [External] Re: Was ; DVNR February Update: Now Compression test


Eric, for headwork in our area, Randy Long, 610-286-5870. He does great work and his prices are good. He is old school and does not have an internet presence. Most of the BMW, Moto Guzzi and Harley shops use him. He fixed up a pretty bad Parilla head for me last year. He is getting my Velo head later this year.



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      Edgar Alden Dunham, IV, Associate
      ECKERT SEAMANS CHERIN & MELLOTT, LLC
      Princeton Pike Corporate Center, Suite 203, 2000 Lenox Dr.  |  Lawrenceville, NJ 08648

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From: ducdude via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com>
Date: Sunday, Feb 21, 2021, 12:14 PM
To: Russ Hunt WQ3X <wq3x at epix.net>, list at dvnr.org <list at dvnr.org>, davidebehnken at gmail.com <davidebehnken at gmail.com>, dvnr at casano.com <dvnr at casano.com>
Subject: [External] Re: Was ; DVNR February Update: Now Compression test

Hi Russ,

Does not smoke until warmed up..  Then smokes more when rev?ed not so much at idle.  As to the smoke color it does seem  more white then bluish gray but  it is hard to tell for sure.  I have only had the bike a few months and 600-800 miles.  At this point now that the compression is known good I will keep my attention focused on the carburation (for now) as the plugs say she is rich but not Super rich and then drop the needles just a tad and see how that effects the smoking and rich running.  As the smoke is only one side I doubt it is fuel related and this is really just a distraction as is the few thousand miles I have planned for this season to see if the smoking stops.  I doubt it will stop, but then next season she will only need reg service and the head work done next winter.  

Who is recommended in the US for Norton head work?  I am in Abington PA not that it maters much, but local is better.

Cheers and thanks ,
Eric

From: Russ Hunt WQ3X 
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 9:34
To: list at dvnr.org ; davidebehnken at gmail.com ; dvnr at casano.com ; ducdude 
Subject: Re: Was ; DVNR February Update: Now Compression test

Eric... When does it smoke? Is it black or white smoke? My bike (combat) smoked only at idle and on the overrun and it was white smoke that had a distinctive bad smell. It turned out to be a very loose valve guide. It was going up and down with the valve. The bike ran great though! Some bikes have had a number of valve jobs by now and if they were done by the Norton unknowing, not removing carbon from the guides before driving them out can cause scoring of the head where the valve guide goes. Oil can then be sucked down the outside of the guide. There are only a few people in the country that I would trust with doing a valve job on a Norton head right. (If it comes to that.) 
I've had mine since new and now it seems to be coming around back more and more to stock. I've found the thing it really needed the most is a link rod headsteady. After that, Tri-spark.

Russ


On Saturday, February 20, 2021, 07:03:33 PM EST, ducdude via List <list at dvnr.org> wrote: 


Well the Commando is back in the spotlight again! 
New fork tube seals and stations, progressive springs and NYC Norton seals and bushes, going in this week end.  Lots of fun stuff to find hidden in tem thar forks.

While I had the bike out I checked the compression in both cylinders to see if I could figure out why she was smoking out of the LH side ex pipe.  The good side without smoke was 122 ish psi and the bad smoking side was 125psi!  So, it seems the compression is good.  

Next we will do a leak down test to see if the valves or rings could be leaking a bit.  So far at 122-125psi that sounds pretty good to me what say the group?

Cheers,
Eric

From: ducdude via List 
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 21:18
To: Revere Robertson ; list at dvnr.org ; davidebehnken at gmail.com ; dvnr at casano.com 
Subject: Re: DVNR February Update

Damn!

Add Compression and leak down test to the list ..LOL  Actually should have done that weeks ago but she starts and run so well all I wanted to was ride.,  

Ok will report back in a few days ..

Thanks a lot..

LOL

Eric

From: Revere Robertson via List 
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 21:10
To: list at dvnr.org ; davidebehnken at gmail.com ; dvnr at casano.com 
Subject: Re: DVNR February Update

Hi Eric, Did you do a compression check on the head yet
  Todd...


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From: ducdude via List <list at dvnr.org>
To: David Behnken <davidebehnken at gmail.com>; DVNR email list <dvnr at casano.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 15, 2021 8:19 am
Subject: Re: DVNR February Update


Greetings all,

As a group FNG having only bought my new to me 850 interstate a few months ago I would like to say thank you for the warm welcome and let you know I am in favor of postponing the Gathering to later in the summer in the hope that the restrictions will ease as the inoculations take hold.  I would also support a get together someplace were we could chat about the planning with out the emails flying.  

Please do forgive my enthusiasm as this is my first Norton and will be my first Gathering so I am getting ready .  The work on my 850  has been going on in earnest for weeks:
  a.. Premiere 932  Carbs 
  b.. Pazon ignition timing adjusted 
  c.. Sealed up Ex leaks  to quell backfiring 
  d.. NYC Norton engine Breather 
  e.. Turn signals re-attached 
  f.. New brake Master cylinder - AN with smaller bore 
  g.. New Seat 
  h.. New Kicker 
  i.. Oil ?Engine, Primary gearbox, filter and seals 
  j.. Drive and primary chains  adjusted 
  k.. Valves adjusted 
  l.. LED Tail and Head light 
  m.. Fog/Driving lights 
  n.. Charging system monitor 
  o.. Fuel Tank Clean and de rust (thinking about caswell resealing) Work in progress 
  p.. Forks fork tubes using NYC bushes and seals - Work in progress 
At some point the head will probably have to come off as she smokes a bit on the LH side and it look like oil (thinking valve seals) for now I just plan to ride her a 1000-1500 miles to see if it gets worse or better as it could be the rings seating after her long slumber.  Time will tell.

Come on spring !

Cheers,
Eric


From: David Behnken 
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 0:07
To: DVNR email list 
Subject: DVNR February Update

Hello DVNR members, 

I hope this finds everyone healthy and well.  After the last few months we've had, I'm sure most of us are tired of either the cold, the snow or probably both. As we're now half way through February, hopefully warmer temperatures aren't too far off and the snow may begin to recede.  Maybe we'll get lucky and it'll even stop snowing at some point too.  

I wanted to drop a note to update everyone about current events and near future activities.  I spoke with our contact at the State Park in mid-January.  He said to check back with him at the end of February to confirm, but it was almost guaranteed that the park will NOT be available to us in April if we wanted to try to hold a Gathering of the Nortons event.  I'm sure no one is surprised. 

As such, we have a few options for the 2021 Gathering of the Nortons event: 1) cancel the event for the year 2) postpone it until later in 2021. I don't think it's a good idea or even a viable option to try to hold the event in April at another location for several reasons -- we'll never get anyone's permission, liability, who's comfortable attending and the list goes on.  

I've spoken with Todd Robertson who, along with me, has been hosting spring meetings and neither of us think it's a great idea to hold a March meeting in our houses.  As an alternative, I thought I'd throw out Dan Sellers' idea of seeing if the club was interested in finding a restaurant or diner that would give us a room for a meeting.  I know the Spinning Wheel Diner by us in the Somerset & Hunterdon County area of Jersey has a room that can probably be requested, but I'm sure there are more central locations around the majority of the members.  I'll let you guys make suggestions if you know of options.  Hopefully we'll be able to arrange something for those who wish to get together in a group setting.

I picked up a few brackets from Dave at Classic Cycle in Baptistown last Friday.  He asked what the club was doing for the Gathering and I told him basically what I said above.  He's not able to offer his shop for a Gathering of the Nortons size event, but said we were welcome to have a club get together at his shop on the third Sunday of April if we wanted.  Due to limited space, he said no cars, bikes only.  The deli across the street has good food too.  He also mentioned that it would work out great for him as he was planning on bringing his Model 18(?) to the Gathering if it had worked out.  This way he didn't even have to move it to display it.  It's a beautiful bike for those who haven't seen it.  

So, if we aren't able to plan something for March, we have something on the books for April whereby we can get together and have a discussion regarding what we want to do for the 2021 Gathering of the Nortons.  What I'd like to do is have a discussion in a group setting in March and/or April to hash out the ideas members have and then probably put out a poll to choose a plan. If we do a poll, those who aren't able to attend or would prefer not to meet up in a group setting still have a voice.  I'm trying to avoid a prolonged chain of back and forth emails where everybody throws out their ideas at once and it usually ends up feeling like being in a room where everyone talks at once and nobody hears anything.  Fingers crossed.  In short, we'll figure out what the members want to do with the Gathering in either March or April. 

As it's cold, snowy, nasty out and the roads are an icy/salty mess, now's the time to do the bike preparation and maintenance that you always say you're not going to put off and do before it's a scramble in April before the Gathering.  The oil's almost guaranteed to be in the sump, is it due for a change? New oil filter?  That's pretty easy.  How about the gearbox and primary?  When was the last time you changed it?  If your memory is as bad as mine, it's probably twice as long as you're guestimating it is.  That's the low hanging fruit - when's the last time you changed your fork oil?  I've never bought a used bike and not found the forks to have about an inch of peanut butter thick sludge in the bottom.  Not the best for bushings or ride quality.  Brake fluid?  Couldn't hurt, right?  If you get on a roll there's always the swing arm - 140 weight oil or grease (depending on your school of thought).  Fuel and carbs ready?  That's just the fluids.  How's the battery?  If it's not on a tender or won't hold a charge, now's the time to get a new one. Any fixes you've been putting off?  How's the wiring harness?  And then there's everyone's favorite topic: Tires.   When's the last time you took a GOOD look at them for cracked sidewalls, wear and age?  They're the only thing between you and the road and the ability to stop and turn sure is nice..... Now's the time to get some new ones if needed!  

Speaking of tires, I've attached a few pics of the tires I recently took off a new-to-me bike.  As you can see, the tread looks good and they are only about 5 years old.  I didn't see any significant cracking of the sidewalls and they were still relatively soft.  However, I decided to play it safe and replace them.  The tiny round pellets of rubber and silica(?) that you see in the pics were inside the tires; that's exactly how they looked when they came off the rims. I'd never seen that before.  From what I learned from my bike shop guy who was a MSF instructor for many years, it's the inside of the tire coming apart from being ridden at too low of pressure.  The tire was failing from the inside out. My guy said he used to keep a small glass jar of the pellets to show the people in his class what could happen to their tires if they didn't check the air pressure.  Crazy stuff.  Glad I bought the new tires.

Stay warm and be well!

David B   
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