From jmat1957 at gmail.com  Thu Apr  1 19:21:34 2021
From: jmat1957 at gmail.com (Joe Matkowski)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 19:21:34 -0400
Subject: Recommendations for motorcycle transport
Message-ID: <CANkmvSdQoN=svoSp476G3_213TGRVmash3eDaMTgsq9wxJqB7w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all
Sorry to ask this again, but can?t find the old emails with the suggestions
some sent.
Any recommendations on motorcycle transporters ?
Guy who bought my bike is in Memphis, he?s looking for recommendations.
Any help is appreciated.
Joe
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From rcolahan at epix.net  Thu Apr  1 19:55:38 2021
From: rcolahan at epix.net (Richard Colahan)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 19:55:38 -0400
Subject: Recommendations for motorcycle transport
In-Reply-To: <CANkmvSdQoN=svoSp476G3_213TGRVmash3eDaMTgsq9wxJqB7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANkmvSdQoN=svoSp476G3_213TGRVmash3eDaMTgsq9wxJqB7w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <85BE10395124477FBFAB8D979787A59D@OwnerPC>

Joe, I use Federal Motorcycle Shipping for any bike of value and for our western US trips.
https://funtransport.com/

Not cheap, but they offer a discount for AMA members and for dropping the bike at a warehouse.
They have a warehouse close by in Telford PA, Clemmer.

For beaters, dirt bikes, or project bikes, you can consider UShip...which is a brokerage for independant carriers.
Some are better then others...some aren't.
I have used them...but not for a valuable bike.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Joe Matkowski 
  To: Del Val Norton Riders 
  Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2021 7:21 PM
  Subject: Recommendations for motorcycle transport


  Hi all
  Sorry to ask this again, but can?t find the old emails with the suggestions some sent. 
  Any recommendations on motorcycle transporters ?
  Guy who bought my bike is in Memphis, he?s looking for recommendations. 
  Any help is appreciated.  
  Joe





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From cbclancy at aol.com  Thu Apr  1 20:06:59 2021
From: cbclancy at aol.com (cbclancy at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 00:06:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Recommendations for motorcycle transport
In-Reply-To: <85BE10395124477FBFAB8D979787A59D@OwnerPC>
References: <CANkmvSdQoN=svoSp476G3_213TGRVmash3eDaMTgsq9wxJqB7w@mail.gmail.com>
 <85BE10395124477FBFAB8D979787A59D@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <426610805.79558.1617322019355@mail.yahoo.com>

I've used U-Ship for years.? Good price, never a problem.?
Charlie


-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Colahan <rcolahan at epix.net>
To: Joe Matkowski <jmat1957 at gmail.com>; Del Val Norton Riders <dvnr at casano.com>
Sent: Thu, Apr 1, 2021 7:55 pm
Subject: Re: Recommendations for motorcycle transport

Joe, I use Federal Motorcycle Shipping for any bike of value and for our western US trips.https://funtransport.com/?Not cheap, but they offer a discount for AMA members and for dropping the bike at a warehouse.They have a warehouse close by in Telford PA, Clemmer.?For beaters, dirt bikes, or project bikes, you can consider UShip...which is a brokerage for independant carriers.Some are better then others...some aren't.I have used them...but not for a valuable bike.?
 ----- Original Message -----  From: Joe Matkowski  To: Del Val Norton Riders  Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2021 7:21 PM Subject: Recommendations for motorcycle transport 
Hi all Sorry to ask this again, but can?t find the old emails with the suggestions some sent.? Any recommendations on motorcycle transporters ? Guy who bought my bike is in Memphis, he?s looking for recommendations.? Any help is appreciated. ? Joe 
 
 

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From cbclancy at aol.com  Thu Apr  1 20:11:24 2021
From: cbclancy at aol.com (cbclancy at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 00:11:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Recommendations for motorcycle transport
In-Reply-To: <CANkmvSdQoN=svoSp476G3_213TGRVmash3eDaMTgsq9wxJqB7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANkmvSdQoN=svoSp476G3_213TGRVmash3eDaMTgsq9wxJqB7w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1252359369.88604.1617322284480@mail.yahoo.com>

I've used U-Ship for years with excellent results.
Charlie


-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Matkowski <jmat1957 at gmail.com>
To: Del Val Norton Riders <dvnr at casano.com>
Sent: Thu, Apr 1, 2021 7:21 pm
Subject: Recommendations for motorcycle transport

Hi allSorry to ask this again, but can?t find the old emails with the suggestions some sent.?Any recommendations on motorcycle transporters ?Guy who bought my bike is in Memphis, he?s looking for recommendations.?Any help is appreciated. ?Joe


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From trob10 at verizon.net  Fri Apr  2 09:32:10 2021
From: trob10 at verizon.net (Revere Robertson)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 13:32:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Recommendations for motorcycle transport
In-Reply-To: <426610805.79558.1617322019355@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CANkmvSdQoN=svoSp476G3_213TGRVmash3eDaMTgsq9wxJqB7w@mail.gmail.com>
 <85BE10395124477FBFAB8D979787A59D@OwnerPC>
 <426610805.79558.1617322019355@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <926068963.217369.1617370330239@mail.yahoo.com>

Me too, I used U-Ship to return my BMW from Washington state to New Jersey, It took two weeks to arrive and $900 but was better than riding back alone.? Todd


-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Clancy via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com>
To: rcolahan at epix.net <rcolahan at epix.net>; jmat1957 at gmail.com <jmat1957 at gmail.com>; dvnr at casano.com <dvnr at casano.com>
Sent: Thu, Apr 1, 2021 8:07 pm
Subject: Re: Recommendations for motorcycle transport

I've used U-Ship for years.? Good price, never a problem.?
Charlie


-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Colahan <rcolahan at epix.net>
To: Joe Matkowski <jmat1957 at gmail.com>; Del Val Norton Riders <dvnr at casano.com>
Sent: Thu, Apr 1, 2021 7:55 pm
Subject: Re: Recommendations for motorcycle transport

Joe, I use Federal Motorcycle Shipping for any bike of value and for our western US trips.https://funtransport.com/?Not cheap, but they offer a discount for AMA members and for dropping the bike at a warehouse.They have a warehouse close by in Telford PA, Clemmer.?For beaters, dirt bikes, or project bikes, you can consider UShip...which is a brokerage for independant carriers.Some are better then others...some aren't.I have used them...but not for a valuable bike.?
 ----- Original Message -----  From: Joe Matkowski  To: Del Val Norton Riders  Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2021 7:21 PM Subject: Recommendations for motorcycle transport 
Hi all Sorry to ask this again, but can?t find the old emails with the suggestions some sent.? Any recommendations on motorcycle transporters ? Guy who bought my bike is in Memphis, he?s looking for recommendations.? Any help is appreciated. ? Joe 
 
 

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From dansellers45 at gmail.com  Fri Apr  2 20:00:39 2021
From: dansellers45 at gmail.com (Daniel Sellers)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 20:00:39 -0400
Subject: Meeting Notes From March 21
Message-ID: <CAAf9jy7_d0Eq0v30H3eiO9YHYaZTYcJrpRWjU6CAzovUaDzdnA@mail.gmail.com>

Contains information regarding our subdued meeting on April 18, only 2
weeks away.
Cheers
Treasurer Dan
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From ducdude at verizon.net  Sat Apr  3 04:24:56 2021
From: ducdude at verizon.net (Ducdude)
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2021 08:24:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Meeting Notes From March 21
In-Reply-To: <CAAf9jy7_d0Eq0v30H3eiO9YHYaZTYcJrpRWjU6CAzovUaDzdnA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <381608512.1916799.1617438296885@mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks Dan. Just confirming,?is the 18th the date of the Washington?s crossing meet to go eat where we will not gather?
?Cheers Eric?FNG?74 interstate?

Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS


On Friday, April 2, 2021, 20:00, Daniel Sellers <dansellers45 at gmail.com> wrote:

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From bsafr at aol.com  Sat Apr  3 06:53:14 2021
From: bsafr at aol.com (bsafr at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2021 10:53:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Meeting Notes From March 21
In-Reply-To: <381608512.1916799.1617438296885@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CAAf9jy7_d0Eq0v30H3eiO9YHYaZTYcJrpRWjU6CAzovUaDzdnA@mail.gmail.com>
 <381608512.1916799.1617438296885@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <293046737.51448.1617447194270@mail.yahoo.com>

Good write up Dan - as usual - and even with pics!! Thank you.
Quick question - my recollection was that we agreed to put up a spot at the Oley Triumph meet - I seem to remember a few of us raising our hands to man the booth, myself included.? This may have been ultimately voted down though as I do recall discussion about the cost of the space, etc. Anyone else recall this?
Looking forward to not seeing everyone.
Brian





-----Original Message-----
From: Ducdude via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com>
To: Daniel Sellers <dansellers45 at gmail.com>; FRANK MOHR via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com>
Sent: Sat, Apr 3, 2021 4:25 am
Subject: Re: Meeting Notes From March 21

Thanks Dan. Just confirming,?is the 18th the date of the Washington?s crossing meet to go eat where we will not gather?
?Cheers Eric?FNG?74 interstate?

Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS


On Friday, April 2, 2021, 20:00, Daniel Sellers <dansellers45 at gmail.com> wrote:

Contains information regarding our subdued meeting on April 18, only 2 weeks away.CheersTreasurer Dan



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From dansellers45 at gmail.com  Sat Apr  3 08:06:28 2021
From: dansellers45 at gmail.com (Daniel Sellers)
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2021 08:06:28 -0400
Subject: Meeting Notes From March 21
In-Reply-To: <293046737.51448.1617447194270@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CAAf9jy7_d0Eq0v30H3eiO9YHYaZTYcJrpRWjU6CAzovUaDzdnA@mail.gmail.com>
 <381608512.1916799.1617438296885@mail.yahoo.com>
 <293046737.51448.1617447194270@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAAf9jy5vLKbDVVVd094BGw7_cT=Et8-Np0LiEuZ2Mg+PN+6ryQ@mail.gmail.com>

Eric
Yes Sunday the 18th is the date for our *NON EVENT*. I recall that we
decided to spend about an hour at the WC Park. From there those who want to
go for lunch will go to the Wycombe Public House. Of course you can go
anywhere you would like. The intention was to "Gather" and kick tires, chat
and do most anything except drink beer. I thought that was pretty clear.
Perhaps the confusion is the date. Last year we voted unanimously that we
would move the "Gathering" to lhe last Sunday in April. Reasons; it would
never conflict with Easter, might be a week warmer, doesn't conflict with
the Earth Day group, people who come from a distance for the AMCA Swap Meet
at Oley would be able to swing by while they are in town. For some reason
members wanted to meet on the third Sunday. Go Figure.

Brian
We did not rule out getting a vending table at the Triumph National Rally.
My hope was/is that we can get an area where we can display the DVNR bikes
as a group. I know some of us will camp. All of this of course depends on
what happens regarding the Covid restrictions. Surprisingly right now the
incidence rate is going up in Southeastern Pa along with our neighboring
states. We have to get Daves ear and convince him that we need something to
sell (club merchandise) at the club table. I don't think "Gathering" shirts
are appropriate to sell at Oley.

I hope that answers your questions.
dan


On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 6:53 AM <bsafr at aol.com> wrote:

> Good write up Dan - as usual - and even with pics!! Thank you.
>
> Quick question - my recollection was that we agreed to put up a spot at
> the Oley Triumph meet - I seem to remember a few of us raising our hands to
> man the booth, myself included.  This may have been ultimately voted down
> though as I do recall discussion about the cost of the space, etc. Anyone
> else recall this?
>
> Looking forward to not seeing everyone.
>
> Brian
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ducdude via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com>
> To: Daniel Sellers <dansellers45 at gmail.com>; FRANK MOHR via DVNR <
> dvnr at casano.com>
> Sent: Sat, Apr 3, 2021 4:25 am
> Subject: Re: Meeting Notes From March 21
>
> Thanks Dan. Just confirming, is the 18th the date of the Washington?s
> crossing meet to go eat where we will not gather?
>  Cheers Eric FNG
> 74 interstate
>
> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS
> <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/aol-news-email-weather-video/id646100661>
>
> On Friday, April 2, 2021, 20:00, Daniel Sellers <dansellers45 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Contains information regarding our subdued meeting on April 18, only 2
> weeks away.
> Cheers
> Treasurer Dan
>
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From davidebehnken at gmail.com  Sat Apr  3 11:18:40 2021
From: davidebehnken at gmail.com (David Behnken)
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2021 11:18:40 -0400
Subject: Meeting Notes From March 21
In-Reply-To: <CAAf9jy5vLKbDVVVd094BGw7_cT=Et8-Np0LiEuZ2Mg+PN+6ryQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAf9jy7_d0Eq0v30H3eiO9YHYaZTYcJrpRWjU6CAzovUaDzdnA@mail.gmail.com>
 <381608512.1916799.1617438296885@mail.yahoo.com>
 <293046737.51448.1617447194270@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CAAf9jy5vLKbDVVVd094BGw7_cT=Et8-Np0LiEuZ2Mg+PN+6ryQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOLOX73Sx=POkTbyTS0hUYMJV1FxcKtVqUbr9ptr1SusUWXhbg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

My recollection is the same as Brian's, Dan.  I don't think it was tabled
until March, I thought we decided:

   - The club was going to get a booth.
   - Brian Safer, myself and a few others (I don't recall who) had
   volunteered to man it.
   - We were going to sell merchandise (which I assumed would be Gathering
   T-shirts).

If we were to sell something other than the Gathering T-shirts we currently
have on hand, we better get the ball rolling when we meet up on the 18th as
that's 9 weeks before Oley.

Ride safe all, see you in 2 weeks.

David B


On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 8:06 AM Daniel Sellers <dansellers45 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Eric
> Yes Sunday the 18th is the date for our *NON EVENT*. I recall that we
> decided to spend about an hour at the WC Park. From there those who want to
> go for lunch will go to the Wycombe Public House. Of course you can go
> anywhere you would like. The intention was to "Gather" and kick tires, chat
> and do most anything except drink beer. I thought that was pretty clear.
> Perhaps the confusion is the date. Last year we voted unanimously that we
> would move the "Gathering" to lhe last Sunday in April. Reasons; it would
> never conflict with Easter, might be a week warmer, doesn't conflict with
> the Earth Day group, people who come from a distance for the AMCA Swap Meet
> at Oley would be able to swing by while they are in town. For some reason
> members wanted to meet on the third Sunday. Go Figure.
>
> Brian
> We did not rule out getting a vending table at the Triumph National Rally.
> My hope was/is that we can get an area where we can display the DVNR bikes
> as a group. I know some of us will camp. All of this of course depends on
> what happens regarding the Covid restrictions. Surprisingly right now the
> incidence rate is going up in Southeastern Pa along with our neighboring
> states. We have to get Daves ear and convince him that we need something to
> sell (club merchandise) at the club table. I don't think "Gathering" shirts
> are appropriate to sell at Oley.
>
> I hope that answers your questions.
> dan
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 6:53 AM <bsafr at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Good write up Dan - as usual - and even with pics!! Thank you.
>>
>> Quick question - my recollection was that we agreed to put up a spot at
>> the Oley Triumph meet - I seem to remember a few of us raising our hands to
>> man the booth, myself included.  This may have been ultimately voted down
>> though as I do recall discussion about the cost of the space, etc. Anyone
>> else recall this?
>>
>> Looking forward to not seeing everyone.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ducdude via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com>
>> To: Daniel Sellers <dansellers45 at gmail.com>; FRANK MOHR via DVNR <
>> dvnr at casano.com>
>> Sent: Sat, Apr 3, 2021 4:25 am
>> Subject: Re: Meeting Notes From March 21
>>
>> Thanks Dan. Just confirming, is the 18th the date of the Washington?s
>> crossing meet to go eat where we will not gather?
>>  Cheers Eric FNG
>> 74 interstate
>>
>> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS
>> <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/aol-news-email-weather-video/id646100661>
>>
>> On Friday, April 2, 2021, 20:00, Daniel Sellers <dansellers45 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Contains information regarding our subdued meeting on April 18, only 2
>> weeks away.
>> Cheers
>> Treasurer Dan
>>
>>
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From g_roetenberg at msn.com  Sat Apr  3 20:59:02 2021
From: g_roetenberg at msn.com (GEORGE)
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 00:59:02 +0000
Subject: Meeting Notes From March 21
In-Reply-To: <CAOLOX73Sx=POkTbyTS0hUYMJV1FxcKtVqUbr9ptr1SusUWXhbg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAf9jy7_d0Eq0v30H3eiO9YHYaZTYcJrpRWjU6CAzovUaDzdnA@mail.gmail.com>
 <381608512.1916799.1617438296885@mail.yahoo.com>
 <293046737.51448.1617447194270@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CAAf9jy5vLKbDVVVd094BGw7_cT=Et8-Np0LiEuZ2Mg+PN+6ryQ@mail.gmail.com>,
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Message-ID: <OSYPR01MB5304A6632C0C77DBDB96B17BE8789@OSYPR01MB5304.jpnprd01.prod.outlook.com>

Dave has two boxes of old art of bike tshirts.  They sell if priced very cheap.
I would encourage members to bring some unloved parts they want to sell to the booth.  Lots of buyers.
George
________________________________
From: David Behnken <davidebehnken at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 3, 2021 11:18 AM
To: Daniel Sellers <dansellers45 at gmail.com>
Cc: dvnr at casano.com <dvnr at casano.com>
Subject: Re: Meeting Notes From March 21

Hello all,

My recollection is the same as Brian's, Dan.  I don't think it was tabled until March, I thought we decided:

  *   The club was going to get a booth.
  *   Brian Safer, myself and a few others (I don't recall who) had volunteered to man it.
  *   We were going to sell merchandise (which I assumed would be Gathering T-shirts).

If we were to sell something other than the Gathering T-shirts we currently have on hand, we better get the ball rolling when we meet up on the 18th as that's 9 weeks before Oley.

Ride safe all, see you in 2 weeks.

David B


On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 8:06 AM Daniel Sellers <dansellers45 at gmail.com<mailto:dansellers45 at gmail.com>> wrote:
Eric
Yes Sunday the 18th is the date for our NON EVENT. I recall that we decided to spend about an hour at the WC Park. From there those who want to go for lunch will go to the Wycombe Public House. Of course you can go anywhere you would like. The intention was to "Gather" and kick tires, chat and do most anything except drink beer. I thought that was pretty clear. Perhaps the confusion is the date. Last year we voted unanimously that we would move the "Gathering" to lhe last Sunday in April. Reasons; it would never conflict with Easter, might be a week warmer, doesn't conflict with the Earth Day group, people who come from a distance for the AMCA Swap Meet at Oley would be able to swing by while they are in town. For some reason members wanted to meet on the third Sunday. Go Figure.

Brian
We did not rule out getting a vending table at the Triumph National Rally. My hope was/is that we can get an area where we can display the DVNR bikes as a group. I know some of us will camp. All of this of course depends on what happens regarding the Covid restrictions. Surprisingly right now the incidence rate is going up in Southeastern Pa along with our neighboring states. We have to get Daves ear and convince him that we need something to sell (club merchandise) at the club table. I don't think "Gathering" shirts are appropriate to sell at Oley.

I hope that answers your questions.
dan


On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 6:53 AM <bsafr at aol.com<mailto:bsafr at aol.com>> wrote:
Good write up Dan - as usual - and even with pics!! Thank you.

Quick question - my recollection was that we agreed to put up a spot at the Oley Triumph meet - I seem to remember a few of us raising our hands to man the booth, myself included.  This may have been ultimately voted down though as I do recall discussion about the cost of the space, etc. Anyone else recall this?

Looking forward to not seeing everyone.

Brian






-----Original Message-----
From: Ducdude via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com<mailto:dvnr at casano.com>>
To: Daniel Sellers <dansellers45 at gmail.com<mailto:dansellers45 at gmail.com>>; FRANK MOHR via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com<mailto:dvnr at casano.com>>
Sent: Sat, Apr 3, 2021 4:25 am
Subject: Re: Meeting Notes From March 21

Thanks Dan. Just confirming, is the 18th the date of the Washington?s crossing meet to go eat where we will not gather?
 Cheers Eric FNG
74 interstate

Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/aol-news-email-weather-video/id646100661>


On Friday, April 2, 2021, 20:00, Daniel Sellers <dansellers45 at gmail.com<mailto:dansellers45 at gmail.com>> wrote:

Contains information regarding our subdued meeting on April 18, only 2 weeks away.
Cheers
Treasurer Dan
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From bsafr at aol.com  Sun Apr  4 06:47:42 2021
From: bsafr at aol.com (bsafr at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 10:47:42 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Meeting Notes From March 21
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References: <CAAf9jy7_d0Eq0v30H3eiO9YHYaZTYcJrpRWjU6CAzovUaDzdnA@mail.gmail.com>
 <381608512.1916799.1617438296885@mail.yahoo.com>
 <293046737.51448.1617447194270@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CAAf9jy5vLKbDVVVd094BGw7_cT=Et8-Np0LiEuZ2Mg+PN+6ryQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I like the old parts idea - we may need a bigger table.


-----Original Message-----
From: GEORGE <g_roetenberg at msn.com>
To: David Behnken <davidebehnken at gmail.com>; Daniel Sellers <dansellers45 at gmail.com>
Cc: dvnr at casano.com <dvnr at casano.com>
Sent: Sat, Apr 3, 2021 8:59 pm
Subject: Re: Meeting Notes From March 21

Dave has two boxes of old art of bike tshirts.? They sell if priced very cheap.I would encourage members to bring some unloved parts they want to sell to the booth.? Lots of buyers.GeorgeFrom: David Behnken <davidebehnken at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 3, 2021 11:18 AM
To: Daniel Sellers <dansellers45 at gmail.com>
Cc: dvnr at casano.com <dvnr at casano.com>
Subject: Re: Meeting Notes From March 21?Hello all,
My recollection?is the same as Brian's, Dan.? I don't think it was tabled until March, I thought we decided:   
   - The club was going to get a booth.
   - Brian Safer, myself?and a few others (I don't recall who) had volunteered to man it.
   - We were going to sell merchandise (which I assumed would be Gathering T-shirts).??
If we were to sell something other than the Gathering T-shirts we currently have on hand, we better get the ball rolling when we meet up on the 18th as that's 9 weeks before Oley.?
Ride safe all, see you in 2 weeks.
David B

On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 8:06 AM Daniel Sellers <dansellers45 at gmail.com> wrote:

EricYes Sunday the 18th is the date for our NON EVENT. I recall that we decided to spend about an hour at the WC Park. From there those who want to go for lunch will go to the Wycombe Public House. Of course you can go anywhere you would like. The intention was to "Gather" and kick tires, chat and do most anything except drink beer. I thought that was pretty clear. Perhaps the confusion is the date. Last year we voted unanimously that we would move the "Gathering" to lhe last Sunday in April. Reasons; it would never conflict with Easter, might be a week warmer, doesn't conflict with the Earth Day group, people who come from a distance for the AMCA Swap Meet at Oley would be able to swing by while they are in town. For some reason members wanted to meet on the third Sunday. Go Figure.
BrianWe did not rule out getting a vending table at the Triumph National Rally. My hope was/is that we can get an area where we can display the DVNR bikes as a group. I know some of us will camp. All of this of course depends on what happens regarding the Covid restrictions. Surprisingly right now the incidence rate is going up in Southeastern Pa along with our neighboring states. We have to get Daves ear and convince him that we need something to sell (club merchandise) at the club table. I don't think "Gathering" shirts are appropriate to sell at Oley.
I hope that answers your questions.dan


On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 6:53 AM <bsafr at aol.com> wrote:

Good write up Dan - as usual - and even with pics!! Thank you.
Quick question - my recollection was that we agreed to put up a spot at the Oley Triumph meet - I seem to remember a few of us raising our hands to man the booth, myself included.? This may have been ultimately voted down though as I do recall discussion about the cost of the space, etc. Anyone else recall this?
Looking forward to not seeing everyone.
Brian





-----Original Message-----
From: Ducdude via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com>
To: Daniel Sellers <dansellers45 at gmail.com>; FRANK MOHR via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com>
Sent: Sat, Apr 3, 2021 4:25 am
Subject: Re: Meeting Notes From March 21

Thanks Dan. Just confirming,?is the 18th the date of the Washington?s crossing meet to go eat where we will not gather?
?Cheers Eric?FNG?74 interstate?

Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS


On Friday, April 2, 2021, 20:00, Daniel Sellers <dansellers45 at gmail.com> wrote:

Contains information regarding our subdued meeting on April 18, only 2 weeks away.CheersTreasurer Dan





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From: jrkimple at comcast.net (Jack Kimple)
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 14:40:13 -0400
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From ducdude at verizon.net  Sun Apr  4 18:42:04 2021
From: ducdude at verizon.net (ducdude)
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 18:42:04 -0400
Subject: Commando Lay Shaft bearing 
References: <81657153AED14A90B13FEA5438C0D530.ref@WizBangII>
Message-ID: <81657153AED14A90B13FEA5438C0D530@WizBangII>

Good day all,

I would like to thank all that I have either talked to Bob, or emailed for your support regarding my questions on the gear box of my 850 interstate. THANK YOU.

To Start my bike is running fine and shifting perfectly with out any issue or movement of the kick starter when running her up in neutral or any other time.  The reason for all the questions is the INOA list  has put the fear of god in me for running the stock lay shaft bearing in my gear box.  My 850 only has 14K miles on her as she was parked for a long while. She  shifts fine and has fresh gear lube in her. 

My question is am I ok riding this bike this summer or is this a decree to park it till  I can update the gear box with a new lay shaft bearing?   

Thanks all,
Ciao,
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From SgtNorton at comcast.net  Mon Apr  5 06:53:21 2021
From: SgtNorton at comcast.net (Frank Mohr)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 06:53:21 -0400
Subject: Commando Lay Shaft bearing 
In-Reply-To: <81657153AED14A90B13FEA5438C0D530@WizBangII>
References: <81657153AED14A90B13FEA5438C0D530@WizBangII>
Message-ID: <66776AC1-8308-4F83-90A5-BB95EA9D279E@comcast.net>

I?ve had layshaft bearings go bad at 19-20k miles.  It?s not a hard job to replace the bearing. No need to touch the primary side, and the gearbox shell remains in place. A proper bearing puller helps. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 4, 2021, at 6:42 PM, ducdude via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Good day all,
>  
> I would like to thank all that I have either talked to Bob, or emailed for your support regarding my questions on the gear box of my 850 interstate. THANK YOU.
>  
> To Start my bike is running fine and shifting perfectly with out any issue or movement of the kick starter when running her up in neutral or any other time.  The reason for all the questions is the INOA list  has put the fear of god in me for running the stock lay shaft bearing in my gear box.  My 850 only has 14K miles on her as she was parked for a long while. She  shifts fine and has fresh gear lube in her.
>  
> My question is am I ok riding this bike this summer or is this a decree to park it till  I can update the gear box with a new lay shaft bearing?  
>  
> Thanks all,
> Ciao,
> Eric
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From ducdude at verizon.net  Mon Apr  5 07:28:56 2021
From: ducdude at verizon.net (ducdude)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 07:28:56 -0400
Subject: Commando Lay Shaft bearing 
In-Reply-To: <66776AC1-8308-4F83-90A5-BB95EA9D279E@comcast.net>
References: <81657153AED14A90B13FEA5438C0D530@WizBangII>
 <66776AC1-8308-4F83-90A5-BB95EA9D279E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1357EA2118A648129DECFBA3A3369967@WizBangII>

Thanks Frank,

I have bearing puller in stock from the other gearboxes I have worked on.  

Cheers,
Eric

From: Frank Mohr 
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2021 06:53 AM
To: ducdude 
Cc: DVNR Norton ; MYTY 
Subject: Re: Commando Lay Shaft bearing 

I?ve had layshaft bearings go bad at 19-20k miles.  It?s not a hard job to replace the bearing. No need to touch the primary side, and the gearbox shell remains in place. A proper bearing puller helps. 


Sent from my iPhone


  On Apr 4, 2021, at 6:42 PM, ducdude via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com> wrote:


  ? 
  Good day all,

  I would like to thank all that I have either talked to Bob, or emailed for your support regarding my questions on the gear box of my 850 interstate. THANK YOU.

  To Start my bike is running fine and shifting perfectly with out any issue or movement of the kick starter when running her up in neutral or any other time.  The reason for all the questions is the INOA list  has put the fear of god in me for running the stock lay shaft bearing in my gear box.  My 850 only has 14K miles on her as she was parked for a long while. She  shifts fine and has fresh gear lube in her. 

  My question is am I ok riding this bike this summer or is this a decree to park it till  I can update the gear box with a new lay shaft bearing?   

  Thanks all,
  Ciao,
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From davidebehnken at gmail.com  Mon Apr  5 10:36:15 2021
From: davidebehnken at gmail.com (David Behnken)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 10:36:15 -0400
Subject: Commando Lay Shaft bearing
In-Reply-To: <1357EA2118A648129DECFBA3A3369967@WizBangII>
References: <81657153AED14A90B13FEA5438C0D530@WizBangII>
 <66776AC1-8308-4F83-90A5-BB95EA9D279E@comcast.net>
 <1357EA2118A648129DECFBA3A3369967@WizBangII>
Message-ID: <CAOLOX70qAQHRqxJpwobjCDDHS1WjaNPToa3MqcBWgTQhpU2npg@mail.gmail.com>

Morning Eric.

I believe Brian Safer's lay shaft bearing in his '74 Mark2a was starting to
go last summer and he replaced it.  If I recall correctly, his kickstart
lever started to show the telltale signs of upcoming bearing failure and
Dan Sellers gave him a heads up that it needed attention sooner rather than
later.  The good news is, as Frank said, it's relatively easy to get to and
not like you need to take half the bike apart to make the repair.  If I
remember correctly, people often replace the ratchet spring and/or gear
change return spring and check the kick starter pawl when they're in there
but I could be wrong. (?)  Maybe someone who knows for sure can chime in.
I have yet to tear into a gearbox myself so I have no first hand
knowledge.

David B



On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 7:29 AM ducdude via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com> wrote:

> Thanks Frank,
>
> I have bearing puller in stock from the other gearboxes I have worked on.
>
> Cheers,
> Eric
>
> *From:* Frank Mohr
> *Sent:* Monday, April 05, 2021 06:53 AM
> *To:* ducdude
> *Cc:* DVNR Norton ; MYTY
> *Subject:* Re: Commando Lay Shaft bearing
>
> I?ve had layshaft bearings go bad at 19-20k miles.  It?s not a hard job to
> replace the bearing. No need to touch the primary side, and the gearbox
> shell remains in place. A proper bearing puller helps.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 4, 2021, at 6:42 PM, ducdude via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com> wrote:
>
> ?
> Good day all,
>
> I would like to thank all that I have either talked to Bob, or emailed for
> your support regarding my questions on the gear box of my 850 interstate.
> THANK YOU.
>
> To Start my bike is running fine and shifting perfectly with out any issue
> or movement of the kick starter when running her up in neutral or any other
> time.  The reason for all the questions is the INOA list  has put the fear
> of god in me for running the stock lay shaft bearing in my gear box.  My
> 850 only has 14K miles on her as she was parked for a long while. She
> shifts fine and has fresh gear lube in her.
>
> My question is am I ok riding this bike this summer or is this a decree to
> park it till  I can update the gear box with a new lay shaft bearing?
>
> Thanks all,
> Ciao,
> Eric
>
>
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From wq3x at epix.net  Mon Apr  5 11:35:10 2021
From: wq3x at epix.net (Russ Hunt WQ3X)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 15:35:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Commando Lay Shaft bearing
In-Reply-To: <CAOLOX70qAQHRqxJpwobjCDDHS1WjaNPToa3MqcBWgTQhpU2npg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <81657153AED14A90B13FEA5438C0D530@WizBangII>
 <66776AC1-8308-4F83-90A5-BB95EA9D279E@comcast.net>
 <1357EA2118A648129DECFBA3A3369967@WizBangII>
 <CAOLOX70qAQHRqxJpwobjCDDHS1WjaNPToa3MqcBWgTQhpU2npg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <860116532.2268108.1617636910566@mail.yahoo.com>

 I did mine with the gearbox in the bike following this article:
Layshaft Bearing Upgrade

| 
| 
| 
|  |  |

 |

 |
| 
|  | 
Layshaft Bearing Upgrade

David

Of and for Norton Motorcycles
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The article has you heat the case then use the layshaft itself to remove the bearing. It worked out for me, but sometimes the inner race will come off the layshaft and then you will need the puller. I used the fancy ball bearing recommended by Mick Hemmings and ended up replacing a bunch of other things in the gearbox too, like all the bushings and bearings and the mainshaft.Good luck,Russ in UBE



    On Monday, April 5, 2021, 10:36:54 AM EDT, David Behnken <davidebehnken at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Morning?Eric.
I believe Brian Safer's lay shaft bearing in his '74 Mark2a was starting to go last summer and he replaced it.? If I recall correctly, his kickstart lever started to show the telltale signs of upcoming bearing failure and Dan Sellers gave him a heads up that it needed attention sooner rather than later.? The good news is, as Frank said, it's relatively easy to get to and not like you need to take half the bike apart to make the repair.? If I remember correctly, people often replace the ratchet spring and/or gear change return spring and check the kick starter pawl when they're in there but I could be wrong. (?)? Maybe someone who knows for sure can chime in.? I have yet to tear into a gearbox myself so I have no first hand knowledge.? ?
David B




  
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From bsafr at aol.com  Mon Apr  5 15:02:34 2021
From: bsafr at aol.com (bsafr at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 19:02:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Commando Lay Shaft bearing
In-Reply-To: <860116532.2268108.1617636910566@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <81657153AED14A90B13FEA5438C0D530@WizBangII>
 <66776AC1-8308-4F83-90A5-BB95EA9D279E@comcast.net>
 <1357EA2118A648129DECFBA3A3369967@WizBangII>
 <CAOLOX70qAQHRqxJpwobjCDDHS1WjaNPToa3MqcBWgTQhpU2npg@mail.gmail.com>
 <860116532.2268108.1617636910566@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1063181610.19661.1617649354052@mail.yahoo.com>

Hey Eric,
Since David mentioned my ordeal, I will reply. I originally wasnt going to weigh in because I know others who are more experienced probably would and I am often teased that Im a "Level Three" mechanic.
I have a '74 Mk2a Interstate home model - Im the second owner (only had 15,000 mi.), so I know it hadnt had too much work done on it. My layshaft bearing failed? (catastrophically) while riding it around 20 - 25 mph through a turn. As David mentioned, I didnt even know about that issue, so I thought something was wrong with my kickstart return. Bike stopped suddenly in the turn, but I didnt drop it. Started up and tried to continue but realized something more severe was going on. Dan Sellers Recovery Service came and fetched me home. Did some research and decided to take a stab at it - uring the Old Britts article and also the one Russ references (Old Britts link is in that one). I also consulted the service manual. I did the job with the gearbox in-situ.
I debated using the ball bearing (Mick Hemmings does) and Steve Collins from Collins Cycle said it would be OK, but everyone else suggested the roller bearing upgrade. I bought both, but installed the roller bearing. I made my own bearing puller (using a gear puller jaw) and you also need a slotted tool (like a 55 drum cap remover) to remove the shaft lockring so you can get the inner case off (I made that out of a piece of matching diameter pipe and cut the two bayonets). It is also helpful to have a thin wall Whitworth socket to get the one lower left inner case nut off easily.? I did the heat and freeze stuff to remove the outer race of the disintegrated bearing and install the new bearing. I also replaced the outer bush and kickstart pawl - all the gears looked fine and I didnt remove the main shaft.
I did find a small crack between the main sleeve gear and lay bearing aperatures, which may now be weeping a tad. I bought a used outer gearbox case in came I ever have to fix that - but was convinced to go ahead as is - I did use some Loctite bearing retainer when I installed the roller bearing to try to mitigate the problem. No difficulty reassembling. And other than the weeping its fine - the gears are indexed fine (I didnt remove the camplate) and I consider it a successful repair.?
Here is a pic of what I found when I opened mine, then a pic of the small crack in an inverted mirror, and a pic of the tools I used -?real tools would be better Im sure!!?
Good luck - Im sure youll have no trouble - I wouldnt do it unless I had to.
Brian




-----Original Message-----
From: Russ Hunt WQ3X <wq3x at epix.net>
To: ducdude <ducdude at verizon.net>; David Behnken <davidebehnken at gmail.com>
Cc: MYTY <mjtt110 at icloud.com>; DVNR Norton <dvnr at casano.com>
Sent: Mon, Apr 5, 2021 11:35 am
Subject: Re: Commando Lay Shaft bearing

 I did mine with the gearbox in the bike following this article:
Layshaft Bearing Upgrade

| 
| 
| 
|  |  |

 |

 |
| 
|  | 
Layshaft Bearing Upgrade

David

Of and for Norton Motorcycles
 |

 |

 |

The article has you heat the case then use the layshaft itself to remove the bearing. It worked out for me, but sometimes the inner race will come off the layshaft and then you will need the puller. I used the fancy ball bearing recommended by Mick Hemmings and ended up replacing a bunch of other things in the gearbox too, like all the bushings and bearings and the mainshaft.Good luck,Russ in UBE



    On Monday, April 5, 2021, 10:36:54 AM EDT, David Behnken <davidebehnken at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Morning?Eric.
I believe Brian Safer's lay shaft bearing in his '74 Mark2a was starting to go last summer and he replaced it.? If I recall correctly, his kickstart lever started to show the telltale signs of upcoming bearing failure and Dan Sellers gave him a heads up that it needed attention sooner rather than later.? The good news is, as Frank said, it's relatively easy to get to and not like you need to take half the bike apart to make the repair.? If I remember correctly, people often replace the ratchet spring and/or gear change return spring and check the kick starter pawl when they're in there but I could be wrong. (?)? Maybe someone who knows for sure can chime in.? I have yet to tear into a gearbox myself so I have no first hand knowledge.? ?
David B




  
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From ducdude at verizon.net  Mon Apr  5 15:58:37 2021
From: ducdude at verizon.net (ducdude)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 15:58:37 -0400
Subject: Commando Lay Shaft bearing
In-Reply-To: <1063181610.19661.1617649354052@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <81657153AED14A90B13FEA5438C0D530@WizBangII>
 <66776AC1-8308-4F83-90A5-BB95EA9D279E@comcast.net>
 <1357EA2118A648129DECFBA3A3369967@WizBangII>
 <CAOLOX70qAQHRqxJpwobjCDDHS1WjaNPToa3MqcBWgTQhpU2npg@mail.gmail.com>
 <860116532.2268108.1617636910566@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1063181610.19661.1617649354052@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <63C29814548E4682A871DCECB0A7B470@WizBangII>

Thanks Brian,

Can you or anyone direct me to a supplier of the needed specialty tools I will need to service the gear box?.  Always room for more tools!

Thanks ,
Eric

From: bsafr at aol.com 
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2021 03:02 PM
To: ducdude at verizon.net 
Cc: dvnr at casano.com 
Subject: Re: Commando Lay Shaft bearing

Hey Eric,

Since David mentioned my ordeal, I will reply. I originally wasnt going to weigh in because I know others who are more experienced probably would and I am often teased that Im a "Level Three" mechanic.

I have a '74 Mk2a Interstate home model - Im the second owner (only had 15,000 mi.), so I know it hadnt had too much work done on it. My layshaft bearing failed  (catastrophically) while riding it around 20 - 25 mph through a turn. As David mentioned, I didnt even know about that issue, so I thought something was wrong with my kickstart return. Bike stopped suddenly in the turn, but I didnt drop it. Started up and tried to continue but realized something more severe was going on. Dan Sellers Recovery Service came and fetched me home. Did some research and decided to take a stab at it - uring the Old Britts article and also the one Russ references (Old Britts link is in that one). I also consulted the service manual. I did the job with the gearbox in-situ.

I debated using the ball bearing (Mick Hemmings does) and Steve Collins from Collins Cycle said it would be OK, but everyone else suggested the roller bearing upgrade. I bought both, but installed the roller bearing. I made my own bearing puller (using a gear puller jaw) and you also need a slotted tool (like a 55 drum cap remover) to remove the shaft lockring so you can get the inner case off (I made that out of a piece of matching diameter pipe and cut the two bayonets). It is also helpful to have a thin wall Whitworth socket to get the one lower left inner case nut off easily.  I did the heat and freeze stuff to remove the outer race of the disintegrated bearing and install the new bearing. I also replaced the outer bush and kickstart pawl - all the gears looked fine and I didnt remove the main shaft.

I did find a small crack between the main sleeve gear and lay bearing aperatures, which may now be weeping a tad. I bought a used outer gearbox case in came I ever have to fix that - but was convinced to go ahead as is - I did use some Loctite bearing retainer when I installed the roller bearing to try to mitigate the problem. No difficulty reassembling. And other than the weeping its fine - the gears are indexed fine (I didnt remove the camplate) and I consider it a successful repair. 

Here is a pic of what I found when I opened mine, then a pic of the small crack in an inverted mirror, and a pic of the tools I used - real tools would be better Im sure!! 

Good luck - Im sure youll have no trouble - I wouldnt do it unless I had to.

Brian





-----Original Message-----
From: Russ Hunt WQ3X <wq3x at epix.net>
To: ducdude <ducdude at verizon.net>; David Behnken <davidebehnken at gmail.com>
Cc: MYTY <mjtt110 at icloud.com>; DVNR Norton <dvnr at casano.com>
Sent: Mon, Apr 5, 2021 11:35 am
Subject: Re: Commando Lay Shaft bearing


I did mine with the gearbox in the bike following this article:

Layshaft Bearing Upgrade

                        
                 
           
                 Layshaft Bearing Upgrade
                  David

                  Of and for Norton Motorcycles
                 
           
     

The article has you heat the case then use the layshaft itself to remove the bearing. It worked out for me, but sometimes the inner race will come off the layshaft and then you will need the puller. I used the fancy ball bearing recommended by Mick Hemmings and ended up replacing a bunch of other things in the gearbox too, like all the bushings and bearings and the mainshaft.
Good luck,
Russ in UBE




On Monday, April 5, 2021, 10:36:54 AM EDT, David Behnken <davidebehnken at gmail.com> wrote: 


Morning Eric.

I believe Brian Safer's lay shaft bearing in his '74 Mark2a was starting to go last summer and he replaced it.  If I recall correctly, his kickstart lever started to show the telltale signs of upcoming bearing failure and Dan Sellers gave him a heads up that it needed attention sooner rather than later.  The good news is, as Frank said, it's relatively easy to get to and not like you need to take half the bike apart to make the repair.  If I remember correctly, people often replace the ratchet spring and/or gear change return spring and check the kick starter pawl when they're in there but I could be wrong. (?)  Maybe someone who knows for sure can chime in.  I have yet to tear into a gearbox myself so I have no first hand knowledge.    

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From SgtNorton at comcast.net  Mon Apr  5 18:49:32 2021
From: SgtNorton at comcast.net (Frank Mohr)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 18:49:32 -0400
Subject: Commando Lay Shaft bearing 
In-Reply-To: <63C29814548E4682A871DCECB0A7B470@WizBangII>
References: <63C29814548E4682A871DCECB0A7B470@WizBangII>
Message-ID: <E95AA928-F308-4571-91FB-DDE3EF1F38ED@comcast.net>



Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 5, 2021, at 3:59 PM, ducdude via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Thanks Brian,
>  
> Can you or anyone direct me to a supplier of the needed specialty tools I will need to service the gear box?.  Always room for more tools!
>  
> Thanks ,
> Eric
>  
> From: bsafr at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2021 03:02 PM
> To: ducdude at verizon.net
> Cc: dvnr at casano.com
> Subject: Re: Commando Lay Shaft bearing
>  
> Hey Eric,
>  
> Since David mentioned my ordeal, I will reply. I originally wasnt going to weigh in because I know others who are more experienced probably would and I am often teased that Im a "Level Three" mechanic.
>  
> I have a '74 Mk2a Interstate home model - Im the second owner (only had 15,000 mi.), so I know it hadnt had too much work done on it. My layshaft bearing failed  (catastrophically) while riding it around 20 - 25 mph through a turn. As David mentioned, I didnt even know about that issue, so I thought something was wrong with my kickstart return. Bike stopped suddenly in the turn, but I didnt drop it. Started up and tried to continue but realized something more severe was going on. Dan Sellers Recovery Service came and fetched me home. Did some research and decided to take a stab at it - uring the Old Britts article and also the one Russ references (Old Britts link is in that one). I also consulted the service manual. I did the job with the gearbox in-situ.
>  
> I debated using the ball bearing (Mick Hemmings does) and Steve Collins from Collins Cycle said it would be OK, but everyone else suggested the roller bearing upgrade. I bought both, but installed the roller bearing. I made my own bearing puller (using a gear puller jaw) and you also need a slotted tool (like a 55 drum cap remover) to remove the shaft lockring so you can get the inner case off (I made that out of a piece of matching diameter pipe and cut the two bayonets). It is also helpful to have a thin wall Whitworth socket to get the one lower left inner case nut off easily.  I did the heat and freeze stuff to remove the outer race of the disintegrated bearing and install the new bearing. I also replaced the outer bush and kickstart pawl - all the gears looked fine and I didnt remove the main shaft.
>  
> I did find a small crack between the main sleeve gear and lay bearing aperatures, which may now be weeping a tad. I bought a used outer gearbox case in came I ever have to fix that - but was convinced to go ahead as is - I did use some Loctite bearing retainer when I installed the roller bearing to try to mitigate the problem. No difficulty reassembling. And other than the weeping its fine - the gears are indexed fine (I didnt remove the camplate) and I consider it a successful repair.
>  
> Here is a pic of what I found when I opened mine, then a pic of the small crack in an inverted mirror, and a pic of the tools I used - real tools would be better Im sure!!
>  
> Good luck - Im sure youll have no trouble - I wouldnt do it unless I had to.
>  
> Brian
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Russ Hunt WQ3X <wq3x at epix.net>
> To: ducdude <ducdude at verizon.net>; David Behnken <davidebehnken at gmail.com>
> Cc: MYTY <mjtt110 at icloud.com>; DVNR Norton <dvnr at casano.com>
> Sent: Mon, Apr 5, 2021 11:35 am
> Subject: Re: Commando Lay Shaft bearing
> 
> I did mine with the gearbox in the bike following this article:
>  
> Layshaft Bearing Upgrade
>  
> Layshaft Bearing Upgrade
> David
> Of and for Norton Motorcycles
> The article has you heat the case then use the layshaft itself to remove the bearing. It worked out for me, but sometimes the inner race will come off the layshaft and then you will need the puller. I used the fancy ball bearing recommended by Mick Hemmings and ended up replacing a bunch of other things in the gearbox too, like all the bushings and bearings and the mainshaft.
> Good luck,
> Russ in UBE
>  
>  
>  
> On Monday, April 5, 2021, 10:36:54 AM EDT, David Behnken <davidebehnken at gmail.com> wrote:
>  
>  
> Morning Eric.
>  
> I believe Brian Safer's lay shaft bearing in his '74 Mark2a was starting to go last summer and he replaced it.  If I recall correctly, his kickstart lever started to show the telltale signs of upcoming bearing failure and Dan Sellers gave him a heads up that it needed attention sooner rather than later.  The good news is, as Frank said, it's relatively easy to get to and not like you need to take half the bike apart to make the repair.  If I remember correctly, people often replace the ratchet spring and/or gear change return spring and check the kick starter pawl when they're in there but I could be wrong. (?)  Maybe someone who knows for sure can chime in.  I have yet to tear into a gearbox myself so I have no first hand knowledge.   
>  
> David B
>  
>  
>  
>  
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From SgtNorton at comcast.net  Mon Apr  5 18:55:10 2021
From: SgtNorton at comcast.net (Frank Mohr)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 18:55:10 -0400
Subject: Commando Lay Shaft bearing 
In-Reply-To: <E95AA928-F308-4571-91FB-DDE3EF1F38ED@comcast.net>
References: <E95AA928-F308-4571-91FB-DDE3EF1F38ED@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <483E5BC7-6CB2-4490-9C3F-B6DAD8295ECB@comcast.net>

Special tools. I had to replace my  layshaft bearing in a parking lot of a motel in 1989 during bike week Daytona. Luckily I was staying in a motel with a lot of vintage racers. Most of the tools were in my bikes tool bag. All I had to borrow was a torch and a ride to the local bearing shop. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 5, 2021, at 6:49 PM, Frank Mohr <SgtNorton at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Apr 5, 2021, at 3:59 PM, ducdude via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Thanks Brian,
>>  
>> Can you or anyone direct me to a supplier of the needed specialty tools I will need to service the gear box?.  Always room for more tools!
>>  
>> Thanks ,
>> Eric
>>  
>> From: bsafr at aol.com
>> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2021 03:02 PM
>> To: ducdude at verizon.net
>> Cc: dvnr at casano.com
>> Subject: Re: Commando Lay Shaft bearing
>>  
>> Hey Eric,
>>  
>> Since David mentioned my ordeal, I will reply. I originally wasnt going to weigh in because I know others who are more experienced probably would and I am often teased that Im a "Level Three" mechanic.
>>  
>> I have a '74 Mk2a Interstate home model - Im the second owner (only had 15,000 mi.), so I know it hadnt had too much work done on it. My layshaft bearing failed  (catastrophically) while riding it around 20 - 25 mph through a turn. As David mentioned, I didnt even know about that issue, so I thought something was wrong with my kickstart return. Bike stopped suddenly in the turn, but I didnt drop it. Started up and tried to continue but realized something more severe was going on. Dan Sellers Recovery Service came and fetched me home. Did some research and decided to take a stab at it - uring the Old Britts article and also the one Russ references (Old Britts link is in that one). I also consulted the service manual. I did the job with the gearbox in-situ.
>>  
>> I debated using the ball bearing (Mick Hemmings does) and Steve Collins from Collins Cycle said it would be OK, but everyone else suggested the roller bearing upgrade. I bought both, but installed the roller bearing. I made my own bearing puller (using a gear puller jaw) and you also need a slotted tool (like a 55 drum cap remover) to remove the shaft lockring so you can get the inner case off (I made that out of a piece of matching diameter pipe and cut the two bayonets). It is also helpful to have a thin wall Whitworth socket to get the one lower left inner case nut off easily.  I did the heat and freeze stuff to remove the outer race of the disintegrated bearing and install the new bearing. I also replaced the outer bush and kickstart pawl - all the gears looked fine and I didnt remove the main shaft.
>>  
>> I did find a small crack between the main sleeve gear and lay bearing aperatures, which may now be weeping a tad. I bought a used outer gearbox case in came I ever have to fix that - but was convinced to go ahead as is - I did use some Loctite bearing retainer when I installed the roller bearing to try to mitigate the problem. No difficulty reassembling. And other than the weeping its fine - the gears are indexed fine (I didnt remove the camplate) and I consider it a successful repair.
>>  
>> Here is a pic of what I found when I opened mine, then a pic of the small crack in an inverted mirror, and a pic of the tools I used - real tools would be better Im sure!!
>>  
>> Good luck - Im sure youll have no trouble - I wouldnt do it unless I had to.
>>  
>> Brian
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Russ Hunt WQ3X <wq3x at epix.net>
>> To: ducdude <ducdude at verizon.net>; David Behnken <davidebehnken at gmail.com>
>> Cc: MYTY <mjtt110 at icloud.com>; DVNR Norton <dvnr at casano.com>
>> Sent: Mon, Apr 5, 2021 11:35 am
>> Subject: Re: Commando Lay Shaft bearing
>> 
>> I did mine with the gearbox in the bike following this article:
>>  
>> Layshaft Bearing Upgrade
>>  
>> Layshaft Bearing Upgrade
>> David
>> Of and for Norton Motorcycles
>> The article has you heat the case then use the layshaft itself to remove the bearing. It worked out for me, but sometimes the inner race will come off the layshaft and then you will need the puller. I used the fancy ball bearing recommended by Mick Hemmings and ended up replacing a bunch of other things in the gearbox too, like all the bushings and bearings and the mainshaft.
>> Good luck,
>> Russ in UBE
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> On Monday, April 5, 2021, 10:36:54 AM EDT, David Behnken <davidebehnken at gmail.com> wrote:
>>  
>>  
>> Morning Eric.
>>  
>> I believe Brian Safer's lay shaft bearing in his '74 Mark2a was starting to go last summer and he replaced it.  If I recall correctly, his kickstart lever started to show the telltale signs of upcoming bearing failure and Dan Sellers gave him a heads up that it needed attention sooner rather than later.  The good news is, as Frank said, it's relatively easy to get to and not like you need to take half the bike apart to make the repair.  If I remember correctly, people often replace the ratchet spring and/or gear change return spring and check the kick starter pawl when they're in there but I could be wrong. (?)  Maybe someone who knows for sure can chime in.  I have yet to tear into a gearbox myself so I have no first hand knowledge.   
>>  
>> David B
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
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From rcolahan at epix.net  Thu Apr  8 10:04:20 2021
From: rcolahan at epix.net (Richard Colahan)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 10:04:20 -0400
Subject: AMCA Oley
Message-ID: <4704B990E8084EBA839C12730E785C99@OwnerPC>

Always a good day out...

https://www.antiquemotorcycle.org/content.aspx?page_id=4002&club_id=327323&item_id=1309311
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From micdes at comcast.net  Mon Apr 12 19:06:23 2021
From: micdes at comcast.net (MICHAEL FORTE)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 19:06:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Commando Lay Shaft bearing
In-Reply-To: <63C29814548E4682A871DCECB0A7B470@WizBangII>
References: <81657153AED14A90B13FEA5438C0D530@WizBangII>
 <66776AC1-8308-4F83-90A5-BB95EA9D279E@comcast.net>
 <1357EA2118A648129DECFBA3A3369967@WizBangII>
 <CAOLOX70qAQHRqxJpwobjCDDHS1WjaNPToa3MqcBWgTQhpU2npg@mail.gmail.com>
 <860116532.2268108.1617636910566@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1063181610.19661.1617649354052@mail.yahoo.com>
 <63C29814548E4682A871DCECB0A7B470@WizBangII>
Message-ID: <311544898.345240.1618268783515@connect.xfinity.com>

Hi eric. I thought i would wait for the shift lever warning and now I have a cracked trans case on the shelf. M.F.

>     On 04/05/2021 3:58 PM ducdude via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com> wrote:
>      
>      
>     Thanks Brian,
>      
>     Can you or anyone direct me to a supplier of the needed specialty tools I will need to service the gear box?.  Always room for more tools!
>      
>     Thanks ,
>     Eric
>      
>     From: bsafr at aol.com
>     Sent: Monday, April 05, 2021 03:02 PM
>     To: ducdude at verizon.net
>     Cc: dvnr at casano.com
>     Subject: Re: Commando Lay Shaft bearing
>      
>     Hey Eric,
>      
>     Since David mentioned my ordeal, I will reply. I originally wasnt going to weigh in because I know others who are more experienced probably would and I am often teased that Im a "Level Three" mechanic.
>      
>     I have a '74 Mk2a Interstate home model - Im the second owner (only had 15,000 mi.), so I know it hadnt had too much work done on it. My layshaft bearing failed  (catastrophically) while riding it around 20 - 25 mph through a turn. As David mentioned, I didnt even know about that issue, so I thought something was wrong with my kickstart return. Bike stopped suddenly in the turn, but I didnt drop it. Started up and tried to continue but realized something more severe was going on. Dan Sellers Recovery Service came and fetched me home. Did some research and decided to take a stab at it - uring the Old Britts article and also the one Russ references (Old Britts link is in that one). I also consulted the service manual. I did the job with the gearbox in-situ.
>      
>     I debated using the ball bearing (Mick Hemmings does) and Steve Collins from Collins Cycle said it would be OK, but everyone else suggested the roller bearing upgrade. I bought both, but installed the roller bearing. I made my own bearing puller (using a gear puller jaw) and you also need a slotted tool (like a 55 drum cap remover) to remove the shaft lockring so you can get the inner case off (I made that out of a piece of matching diameter pipe and cut the two bayonets). It is also helpful to have a thin wall Whitworth socket to get the one lower left inner case nut off easily.  I did the heat and freeze stuff to remove the outer race of the disintegrated bearing and install the new bearing. I also replaced the outer bush and kickstart pawl - all the gears looked fine and I didnt remove the main shaft.
>      
>     I did find a small crack between the main sleeve gear and lay bearing aperatures, which may now be weeping a tad. I bought a used outer gearbox case in came I ever have to fix that - but was convinced to go ahead as is - I did use some Loctite bearing retainer when I installed the roller bearing to try to mitigate the problem. No difficulty reassembling. And other than the weeping its fine - the gears are indexed fine (I didnt remove the camplate) and I consider it a successful repair.
>      
>     Here is a pic of what I found when I opened mine, then a pic of the small crack in an inverted mirror, and a pic of the tools I used - real tools would be better Im sure!!
>      
>     Good luck - Im sure youll have no trouble - I wouldnt do it unless I had to.
>      
>     Brian
>      
>      
> 
> 
> 
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: Russ Hunt WQ3X <wq3x at epix.net>
>     To: ducdude <ducdude at verizon.net>; David Behnken <davidebehnken at gmail.com>
>     Cc: MYTY <mjtt110 at icloud.com>; DVNR Norton <dvnr at casano.com>
>     Sent: Mon, Apr 5, 2021 11:35 am
>     Subject: Re: Commando Lay Shaft bearing
> 
>      
>     I did mine with the gearbox in the bike following this article:
>      
>     Layshaft Bearing Upgrade http://doov.com/apps/nortoncompanion/index.php/upgrades-modifications/25-layshaft-bearing-upgrade
>      
>       	
>      
>       	
>     Layshaft Bearing Upgrade
> 
>     David
> 
>     Of and for Norton Motorcycles
>     The article has you heat the case then use the layshaft itself to remove the bearing. It worked out for me, but sometimes the inner race will come off the layshaft and then you will need the puller. I used the fancy ball bearing recommended by Mick Hemmings and ended up replacing a bunch of other things in the gearbox too, like all the bushings and bearings and the mainshaft.
>     Good luck,
>     Russ in UBE
>      
>      
>      
>     On Monday, April 5, 2021, 10:36:54 AM EDT, David Behnken <davidebehnken at gmail.com> wrote:
>      
>      
>     Morning Eric.
>      
>     I believe Brian Safer's lay shaft bearing in his '74 Mark2a was starting to go last summer and he replaced it.  If I recall correctly, his kickstart lever started to show the telltale signs of upcoming bearing failure and Dan Sellers gave him a heads up that it needed attention sooner rather than later.  The good news is, as Frank said, it's relatively easy to get to and not like you need to take half the bike apart to make the repair.  If I remember correctly, people often replace the ratchet spring and/or gear change return spring and check the kick starter pawl when they're in there but I could be wrong. (?)  Maybe someone who knows for sure can chime in.  I have yet to tear into a gearbox myself so I have no first hand knowledge.   
>      
>     David B
>      
>      
>      
>      
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From rcolahan at epix.net  Mon Apr 12 21:09:15 2021
From: rcolahan at epix.net (Richard Colahan)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 21:09:15 -0400
Subject: Barn Find Program
Message-ID: <077F8364E7454D8D81ECEF91F1DC8EF3@OwnerPC>

I'll pass this on to a number of vintage bike folks in my e/m list.
You may have seen it before...just delete if not interested...

 https://www.hagerty.com/media/videos/vincent-rapide-velocette-venom-and-5000-other-motorcycles-barn-find-hunter-ep-95/?utm_source=SFMC&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Tuesday_DailyDriver

I'll share a comment or two...

> I appreciate the 2nd gentleman and his collection. Seems like nice chap! He knows what he has and I get the sense he appreciates and cares...at least as best as he can considering his age...for what he has. BTW, A good friend has a similar era "end-of-production" Thruxton which also has a Concentric carb. The story goes that Velo's inventory of GP's was stolen near the end of production so they simply went with the Concentrics. And I wish he could convince the market about how rare and valuable the BSA RGS is...as the market for those seems a bit down!

> However, I admit that I lose patience with folks like the 1st gentleman. They are not collectors...as his T-shirt says...he is a hoarder. NOTHING good is happening to those bikes. They are roting away. When you ask if they would consider passing one on...it's usually "No....I'm going to fix that one up..." 
It seldom happens.
But that, of course, is his choice...
As an aside...he's spot-on regarding the 1974 Yamaha SC500. I worked at a Yamha dealer back then and took one for a brief test ride on West Chester Pike. The most frightening bike I think I've ever ridden!  

Cheers, Richard Colahan
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From ducdude at verizon.net  Tue Apr 13 08:15:41 2021
From: ducdude at verizon.net (ducdude)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 08:15:41 -0400
Subject: Commando Lay Shaft bearing
In-Reply-To: <311544898.345240.1618268783515@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <81657153AED14A90B13FEA5438C0D530@WizBangII>
 <66776AC1-8308-4F83-90A5-BB95EA9D279E@comcast.net>
 <1357EA2118A648129DECFBA3A3369967@WizBangII>
 <CAOLOX70qAQHRqxJpwobjCDDHS1WjaNPToa3MqcBWgTQhpU2npg@mail.gmail.com>
 <860116532.2268108.1617636910566@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1063181610.19661.1617649354052@mail.yahoo.com>
 <63C29814548E4682A871DCECB0A7B470@WizBangII>
 <311544898.345240.1618268783515@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <CB5C71B5970941A3B29C58D899246C9A@WizBangII>

Thanks Mike,

The parts are rolling in the bearings bushes springs etc.  The tools and DVD?s  will be here soon and a with luck I will have a list member who has been there before guide me though the upgrade.  

Still I did have the old girl out last weekend and we had a great time in  the spring air..

Will update as events change !


Cheers All,
Eric


From: MICHAEL FORTE 
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2021 07:06 PM
To: ducdude ; ducdude via DVNR ; bsafr at aol.com 
Subject: Re: Commando Lay Shaft bearing

    Hi eric. I thought i would wait for the shift lever warning and now I have a cracked trans case on the shelf. M.F. 
  On 04/05/2021 3:58 PM ducdude via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com> wrote: 
  Thanks Brian, 
  Can you or anyone direct me to a supplier of the needed specialty tools I will need to service the gear box?.  Always room for more tools! 
  Thanks , 
  Eric 
  From: bsafr at aol.com 
  Sent: Monday, April 05, 2021 03:02 PM 
  To: ducdude at verizon.net 
  Cc: dvnr at casano.com 
  Subject: Re: Commando Lay Shaft bearing 
  Hey Eric, 
  Since David mentioned my ordeal, I will reply. I originally wasnt going to weigh in because I know others who are more experienced probably would and I am often teased that Im a "Level Three" mechanic. 
  I have a '74 Mk2a Interstate home model - Im the second owner (only had 15,000 mi.), so I know it hadnt had too much work done on it. My layshaft bearing failed  (catastrophically) while riding it around 20 - 25 mph through a turn. As David mentioned, I didnt even know about that issue, so I thought something was wrong with my kickstart return. Bike stopped suddenly in the turn, but I didnt drop it. Started up and tried to continue but realized something more severe was going on. Dan Sellers Recovery Service came and fetched me home. Did some research and decided to take a stab at it - uring the Old Britts article and also the one Russ references (Old Britts link is in that one). I also consulted the service manual. I did the job with the gearbox in-situ. 
  I debated using the ball bearing (Mick Hemmings does) and Steve Collins from Collins Cycle said it would be OK, but everyone else suggested the roller bearing upgrade. I bought both, but installed the roller bearing. I made my own bearing puller (using a gear puller jaw) and you also need a slotted tool (like a 55 drum cap remover) to remove the shaft lockring so you can get the inner case off (I made that out of a piece of matching diameter pipe and cut the two bayonets). It is also helpful to have a thin wall Whitworth socket to get the one lower left inner case nut off easily.  I did the heat and freeze stuff to remove the outer race of the disintegrated bearing and install the new bearing. I also replaced the outer bush and kickstart pawl - all the gears looked fine and I didnt remove the main shaft. 
  I did find a small crack between the main sleeve gear and lay bearing aperatures, which may now be weeping a tad. I bought a used outer gearbox case in came I ever have to fix that - but was convinced to go ahead as is - I did use some Loctite bearing retainer when I installed the roller bearing to try to mitigate the problem. No difficulty reassembling. And other than the weeping its fine - the gears are indexed fine (I didnt remove the camplate) and I consider it a successful repair. 
  Here is a pic of what I found when I opened mine, then a pic of the small crack in an inverted mirror, and a pic of the tools I used - real tools would be better Im sure!! 
  Good luck - Im sure youll have no trouble - I wouldnt do it unless I had to. 
  Brian 



  -----Original Message----- 
  From: Russ Hunt WQ3X <wq3x at epix.net> 
  To: ducdude <ducdude at verizon.net>; David Behnken <davidebehnken at gmail.com> 
  Cc: MYTY <mjtt110 at icloud.com>; DVNR Norton <dvnr at casano.com> 
  Sent: Mon, Apr 5, 2021 11:35 am 
  Subject: Re: Commando Lay Shaft bearing 


  I did mine with the gearbox in the bike following this article: 
  Layshaft Bearing Upgrade 
                             
                   
             
                      Layshaft Bearing Upgrade
                    David

                    Of and for Norton Motorcycles
                   
             
       

  The article has you heat the case then use the layshaft itself to remove the bearing. It worked out for me, but sometimes the inner race will come off the layshaft and then you will need the puller. I used the fancy ball bearing recommended by Mick Hemmings and ended up replacing a bunch of other things in the gearbox too, like all the bushings and bearings and the mainshaft. 
  Good luck, 
  Russ in UBE 
  On Monday, April 5, 2021, 10:36:54 AM EDT, David Behnken <davidebehnken at gmail.com> wrote: 
  Morning Eric. 
  I believe Brian Safer's lay shaft bearing in his '74 Mark2a was starting to go last summer and he replaced it.  If I recall correctly, his kickstart lever started to show the telltale signs of upcoming bearing failure and Dan Sellers gave him a heads up that it needed attention sooner rather than later.  The good news is, as Frank said, it's relatively easy to get to and not like you need to take half the bike apart to make the repair.  If I remember correctly, people often replace the ratchet spring and/or gear change return spring and check the kick starter pawl when they're in there but I could be wrong. (?)  Maybe someone who knows for sure can chime in.  I have yet to tear into a gearbox myself so I have no first hand knowledge.    
  David B 
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From kopecke1 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 15 05:40:36 2021
From: kopecke1 at gmail.com (Ken Kopec)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 05:40:36 -0400
Subject: Fwd: TSNR
References: <237117677.2311579.1618448287870@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B6EE4701-E37F-4C83-ADC5-0348167330FF@gmail.com>

FYI. Rays of hope. 

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Chuck <chucktri at aol.com>
> Date: April 14, 2021 at 8:58:19 PM EDT
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> Subject: TSNR
> Reply-To: Chuck <chucktri at aol.com>
> 
> ?
>  
> This has been a difficult year. My heart goes out to all that have suffered the loss of family and friends. Though restrictive guidelines are being relaxed all over, obviously we must still be cautious as the virus has not yet been defeated.
> 
> As spring has sprung, its time again to get out riding, and working together to make the Rally in the Catskills a reality in 2022. I?m sticking to the traditional mid July dates. Since we had planned on 5 days, in 2020, I?m saying  M-F July 11-15, 2022. I will be giving the Blackthorne a call soon just touch base.
> 
> In the next few weeks, I will start to post announcements for meetings, rides, and combinations of the two so we can get back on track, thinking and planning for the Rally in 2022. As you might expect, most of this riding will be in the Catskill area. I would like to see as many people as possible participating in the Rally prep to make it a very memorable event after we had to cancel 2020. I?d like to get together as much as possible this year.
> 
> The Blackthorne Resort, our venue for 2022 is currently open for gatherings of 50 or less. On its website is a waiver: ?The Blackthorne Resort is absolved of all liability for anyone infected with coronavirus during their stay. By staying at The Blackthorne Resort, you voluntarily assume all risks related to exposure to COVID-19?
> 
> The 2021 INOA Rally Committee in Lumby, B.C. is still waiting to see which guidelines are going to be in effect. It may not be the kind of INOA Rally we are used to having. It may be much smaller, if it can be held at all. Canada?s vaccine roll out has be slower than that of the U.S., so their guidelines may not be relaxed at the same rate the U.S. guidelines.
> 
> Other Motorcycle rallies and events are being held this year, but again, health and safety should be your first concern?  
> From Maggie Elmore: ?IT'S OFFICIAL!!!!!!!!!  BRITISH IN THE BLUE RIDGE RALLY "UNLOCKED" 2021 JUNE 25 & 26, 2021 British in the Blue Ridge Rally is happening and it's time to make your plans!  I'm attaching the official notice in two formats so hopefully you will be able to one of them.  A beautiful Rally Bike will be the grand prize, Big Dog Supper, Bike Show, Door Prizes, Poker Run, Great roads, Fantastic People, what more could you want!"    (I am attaching the flyer)
> 
> I?m also attaching flyers from Suzi for events in Michigan on Sunday May 2nd and Sunday Sept. 19th. Of course when I hear of things that closer to home and on for this year I will post to the group.  Please post to the group any events that you hear are back on for this year, include date, location, and contact info if possible or a flyer/poster.
> 
> I haven?t put together the calendar of events that I usually have out early in the year, as there?s just been so much uncertainty, and so many other things to deal with. I?ll get to that soon, once I do some research and see what is going to be held, and what restrictions apply. There may be many cancellations as these events always draw big crowds which are necessary to cover expenses incurred.
>  
> Wrench, polish and ride and I hope to see you all soon,
>  
> 
> Chuck Contrino
> President Tri-State Norton Riders
> INOA # 177
> Rally Chairman 2020/2022
> 347.881.6490
> 
> P.S. I have car tire 55R16, never used, that I no longer have a use for. If anyone can use it, you can have it (free). You just have to come and get it.
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From davidebehnken at gmail.com  Fri Apr 16 11:03:31 2021
From: davidebehnken at gmail.com (David Behnken)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 11:03:31 -0400
Subject: Club Member Meetup this Sunday
Message-ID: <CAOLOX700DH-7m8j+_3xM+VT48gGrZnUgRgngGB2SHuyGj6LfgQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

Just a reminder that our club meetup is this Sunday, April 18.  Those
interested in riding to Washington's Crossing will "gather" there around
11, and then ride to the Wycome Pubick House in Newtown for a noon
reservation. As of now, the weather looks great and we will be dining
outside.  Please remember this is a DVNR club meetup only.  While there
will undoubtedly be a few other riders showing up to check out the bikes,
we're making our best effort to stay under the radar and in the good graces
of the park.

For those who wish to go directly to the Wycome Publick House, the address
is: 1073 Mill Creek Rd Newtown, PA 18940

We'll have a quick meeting in Newtown; the main topic of discussions will
be future rides/events and whether the club wishes to do T-shirts to sell
at the Triumph National Rally in Oley June 25 and 26.  Steve Doughty has,
as usual, come up with some great designs.

Also, if you haven't sent me your mileage, now is the perfect time to do so
as you prep the bike for the season and this weekend's ride.

Ride safe and I hope to see you this Sunday.

David B
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From kopecke1 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 20 08:51:48 2021
From: kopecke1 at gmail.com (Ken Kopec)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 08:51:48 -0400
Subject: Norton Opens New Factory With Potential To Produce 8,000 Units
Message-ID: <AE535705-2277-4CE0-841C-0F56964490EE@gmail.com>


https://www.rideapart.com/news/501533/norton-new-factory-solihull-england/


Sent from my iPhone


From rcolahan at epix.net  Tue Apr 20 11:28:33 2021
From: rcolahan at epix.net (Richard Colahan)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 11:28:33 -0400
Subject: AMCA Oley
Message-ID: <F89F42C12AFE4303A1CB9B562BA46347@OwnerPC>

Always a good day out...

https://antiquemotorcycle.org/content.aspx?page_id=4002&club_id=327323&item_id=1309311
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