From beemer56bob at verizon.net  Sun Mar  1 07:50:40 2020
From: beemer56bob at verizon.net (bob Katz)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2020 12:50:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Fwd: CT Digest: The collapse of Norton Motorcycles
References: <1900908759.1804135.1583067040219.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1900908759.1804135.1583067040219@mail.yahoo.com>

Good article on collapse

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From rcolahan at epix.net  Fri Mar  6 12:51:38 2020
From: rcolahan at epix.net (Richard Colahan)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2020 12:51:38 -0500
Subject: [dvnr] The Modern Classics Show
Message-ID: <3B2C181653B94053B2F95175E788F412@OwnerPC>


More information is always available at:
modernclassicsbikeshow.com


The Tenth Annual Modern Classics Bike Show !
Friday, March 6, 2020   

   The Kickstart Party 7pm ? 10pm

     Presented by Hagerty and The Grisafi Agency

Saturday, March 7, 2020

            10th Annual Modern Classics Show 9AM- 5PM         







From dud at casano.com  Sun Mar  8 20:08:43 2020
From: dud at casano.com (William F. Dudley Jr.)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2020 20:08:43 -0400
Subject: [dvnr] Fwd: a guy looking for an orange Commando
In-Reply-To: <02381D77-6B57-45D3-BC62-00A1A70F80B4@icloud.com>
References: <02381D77-6B57-45D3-BC62-00A1A70F80B4@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <7cc23b71-0594-9305-b2a8-6b0698203848@casano.com>

This just in:


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: DVNR Classifieds
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2020 07:26:45 -0400
From: Fred Richter <z1tozrx at icloud.com>
To: classifieds at dvnr.org

I?m looking for an original 1974 Norton Commando 850 orange with gold 
stripe.
Friend bought one new in 1975 and I?ve never seen another like it again. 
It was orange, not yellow, not red. Thank you, Fred Richter. (631)880-2920



From amcadoug at aol.com  Sun Mar  8 20:54:48 2020
From: amcadoug at aol.com (amcadoug at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2020 00:54:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [dvnr] Fwd: a guy looking for an orange Commando
In-Reply-To: <7cc23b71-0594-9305-b2a8-6b0698203848@casano.com>
References: <02381D77-6B57-45D3-BC62-00A1A70F80B4@icloud.com>
 <7cc23b71-0594-9305-b2a8-6b0698203848@casano.com>
Message-ID: <843839520.1200316.1583715288041@mail.yahoo.com>

Never recall seeing an original orange Norton except in the catalogs, and an old BBC program featuring a Scotsman riding an orange Norton from drama to drama.? When I restored my 1975 Commando, I painted it orange because of that show.? Really stands out in a crowd.Doug Strange

In a message dated 3/8/2020 8:09:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, dvnr at casano.com writes:

This just in:

-------- Forwarded Message --------Subject: DVNR ClassifiedsDate: Sun, 8 Mar 2020 07:26:45 -0400From: Fred Richter <z1tozrx at icloud.com>To: classifieds at dvnr.org
I?m looking for an original 1974 Norton Commando 850 orange with gold stripe.Friend bought one new in 1975 and I?ve never seen another like it again. It was orange, not yellow, not red. Thank you, Fred Richter. (631)880-2920
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From davidebehnken at gmail.com  Fri Mar 13 10:55:23 2020
From: davidebehnken at gmail.com (David Behnken)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 10:55:23 -0400
Subject: [dvnr] March Meeting this Sunday, March 15
Message-ID: <CAOLOX71xv=7JcSgcXk-T5bceOrT84upeG8_NxcTynFnf8ZZHcQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

Just a reminder that our March meeting is this Sunday at my house in
Bloomsbury, NJ.

Everything is a go - the house has been scrubbed and sanitized, the food is
being prepped and the dogs bathed and brushed in anticipation of Charlotte
Sellers' arrival. To my knowledge, the only Corona in sight comes in long
neck bottles.

If Jack Lyons is able to bring his '68 Norton Mercury 650, the hope is to
get the repaired carb installed and see how she runs.  Brian Safer may be
bringing a set of forks along for a rebuild as well.

As of now, the weather shows 52 and sunny by me.  My address is:

274 County Road 579
Bloomsbury, NJ 08804

I'm on 579 at the top of the hill between Turkey Hill Road and Tunnel
Road.  Look for the white fence that goes along 579, I'm in one of those
houses. If you're traveling west on 579 and go down the steep hill and drop
down into Bloomsbury, you went too far.  I'll park a motorcycle or garden
tractor by my driveway to make it easier to find.  Call/text if you have
any problems.  See you ladies and gentlemen in a few days.

David Behnken
908 531-9520


From davidebehnken at gmail.com  Sat Mar 14 20:03:04 2020
From: davidebehnken at gmail.com (David Behnken)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2020 20:03:04 -0400
Subject: [dvnr] March Meeting this Sunday, March 15
In-Reply-To: <CAOLOX71xv=7JcSgcXk-T5bceOrT84upeG8_NxcTynFnf8ZZHcQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOLOX71xv=7JcSgcXk-T5bceOrT84upeG8_NxcTynFnf8ZZHcQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOLOX73-QK_Lpzw=r4dgHmOwqepqm61oOJnq70-bJsuvO969ug@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry, forgot to confirm the meeting time tomorrow  - 11:00.



On Friday, March 13, 2020, David Behnken <davidebehnken at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Just a reminder that our March meeting is this Sunday at my house in
> Bloomsbury, NJ.
>
> Everything is a go - the house has been scrubbed and sanitized, the food
> is being prepped and the dogs bathed and brushed in anticipation of
> Charlotte Sellers' arrival. To my knowledge, the only Corona in sight comes
> in long neck bottles.
>
> If Jack Lyons is able to bring his '68 Norton Mercury 650, the hope is to
> get the repaired carb installed and see how she runs.  Brian Safer may be
> bringing a set of forks along for a rebuild as well.
>
> As of now, the weather shows 52 and sunny by me.  My address is:
>
> 274 County Road 579
> Bloomsbury, NJ 08804
>
> I'm on 579 at the top of the hill between Turkey Hill Road and Tunnel
> Road.  Look for the white fence that goes along 579, I'm in one of those
> houses. If you're traveling west on 579 and go down the steep hill and drop
> down into Bloomsbury, you went too far.  I'll park a motorcycle or garden
> tractor by my driveway to make it easier to find.  Call/text if you have
> any problems.  See you ladies and gentlemen in a few days.
>
> David Behnken
> 908 531-9520
>
>
>
>


From dud at casano.com  Mon Mar 16 15:53:26 2020
From: dud at casano.com (William F. Dudley Jr.)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 15:53:26 -0400
Subject: [dvnr] Covid-19 and DVNR
Message-ID: <36f2a89b-e75b-3262-fd8b-8a96ed621187@casano.com>

You may have noticed I didn't attend the last meeting.

I've decided to become a hermit while the virus is spreading.
I'm doing this because I'm an old guy, with an old wife,
and I think it's the right thing to do.  Even if Zhao and
I don't become seriously ill, the chance of spreading the
virus to others worries me.

If the virus spreads too fast, the hospitals will be
overwhelmed with cases; where will the car accident victims
and heart attack victims go when all the beds are full
of virus patients, and also the halls are full and the
waiting room is full?  I feel that we should do as much
as possible to stop the spread, even at the risk of
over-reacting (I don't think that's possible, in light
of the huge numbers of people who aren't taking this
seriously at all.)

I don't think "covering your cough" and "washing your hands"
is going to cut it.

My opinion is that the club should suspend all club activities
until further notice.

What are your opinions?
-- 
Bill Dudley


From bruceimacphail at gmail.com  Mon Mar 16 16:01:32 2020
From: bruceimacphail at gmail.com (Bruce I Macphail)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 16:01:32 -0400
Subject: [dvnr] Covid-19 and DVNR
In-Reply-To: <36f2a89b-e75b-3262-fd8b-8a96ed621187@casano.com>
Message-ID: <5e6fdaba.1c69fb81.843fe.376d@mx.google.com>

Bill?No reported cases yet in Monroe County, FL. They are closing the 7 mile bridge and incoming flights tomorrow and hopefully the bars are well stocked as we ride it out.BruceSent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: "William F. Dudley Jr. via DVNR" <dvnr at casano.com> Date: 3/16/20  3:54 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: dvnr at casano.com Subject: [dvnr] Covid-19 and DVNR You may have noticed I didn't attend the last meeting.I've decided to become a hermit while the virus is spreading.I'm doing this because I'm an old guy, with an old wife,and I think it's the right thing to do.? Even if Zhao andI don't become seriously ill, the chance of spreading thevirus to others worries me.If the virus spreads too fast, the hospitals will beoverwhelmed with cases; where will the car accident victimsand heart attack victims go when all the beds are fullof virus patients, and also the halls are full and thewaiting room is full?? I feel that we should do as muchas possible to stop the spread, even at the risk ofover-reacting (I don't think that's possible, in lightof the huge numbers of people who aren't taking thisseriously at all.)I don't think "covering your cough" and "washing your hands"is going to cut it.My opinion is that the club should suspend all club activitiesuntil further notice.What are your opinions?-- Bill Dudley_______________________________________________DVNR mailing listDVNR at casano.comhttps://mailman.dudley.nu/mailman/listinfo/dvnrUNSUBSCRIBE: mail to DVNR-unsubscribe at casano.com

From dud at casano.com  Mon Mar 16 16:08:08 2020
From: dud at casano.com (William F. Dudley Jr.)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 16:08:08 -0400
Subject: [dvnr] Gathering cancelled ???
Message-ID: <6093bbb8-0622-a2ca-6f21-44592c4b4368@casano.com>

I just heard from somebody (not in the DVNR) that Washington
Crossing Park is "shut down" and the Gathering cancelled.

Does anybody have any official information on this?

Thanks,
Bill Dudley


From cbclancy at aol.com  Mon Mar 16 16:19:47 2020
From: cbclancy at aol.com (cbclancy at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 20:19:47 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [dvnr] Covid-19 and DVNR
In-Reply-To: <36f2a89b-e75b-3262-fd8b-8a96ed621187@casano.com>
References: <36f2a89b-e75b-3262-fd8b-8a96ed621187@casano.com>
Message-ID: <138456876.1516518.1584389987205@mail.yahoo.com>

Yes.
Charlie


-----Original Message-----
From: William F. Dudley Jr. via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com>
To: dvnr <dvnr at casano.com>
Sent: Mon, Mar 16, 2020 3:53 pm
Subject: [dvnr] Covid-19 and DVNR

You may have noticed I didn't attend the last meeting.

I've decided to become a hermit while the virus is spreading.
I'm doing this because I'm an old guy, with an old wife,
and I think it's the right thing to do.? Even if Zhao and
I don't become seriously ill, the chance of spreading the
virus to others worries me.

If the virus spreads too fast, the hospitals will be
overwhelmed with cases; where will the car accident victims
and heart attack victims go when all the beds are full
of virus patients, and also the halls are full and the
waiting room is full?? I feel that we should do as much
as possible to stop the spread, even at the risk of
over-reacting (I don't think that's possible, in light
of the huge numbers of people who aren't taking this
seriously at all.)

I don't think "covering your cough" and "washing your hands"
is going to cut it.

My opinion is that the club should suspend all club activities
until further notice.

What are your opinions?
-- 
Bill Dudley
_______________________________________________
DVNR mailing list
DVNR at casano.com
https://mailman.dudley.nu/mailman/listinfo/dvnr
UNSUBSCRIBE: mail to DVNR-unsubscribe at casano.com


From robertnorum1953 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 16 17:00:03 2020
From: robertnorum1953 at gmail.com (Robert Norum)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 17:00:03 -0400
Subject: [dvnr] PA STATE PARKS ARE CLOSED Re:  Gathering cancelled ???
In-Reply-To: <6093bbb8-0622-a2ca-6f21-44592c4b4368@casano.com>
References: <6093bbb8-0622-a2ca-6f21-44592c4b4368@casano.com>
Message-ID: <FC564215-0FF2-4F3D-840C-E388F16C5EF8@gmail.com>

Tari and I drove home from yesterday?s club meeting along River Road south of New Hope. There are Police barricades blocking the entrances AND exits to both locations of Washington Crossing Historic Park. This includes the access to the parking area that we use for the Gathering.  

Great meeting yesterday. Thank you Dave for your hospitality. 

Sent from Bob's iPhone

> On Mar 16, 2020, at 4:08 PM, William F. Dudley Jr. via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I just heard from somebody (not in the DVNR) that Washington
> Crossing Park is "shut down" and the Gathering cancelled.
> 
> Does anybody have any official information on this?
> 
> Thanks,
> Bill Dudley
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From trob10 at verizon.net  Tue Mar 17 08:56:18 2020
From: trob10 at verizon.net (Revere Robertson)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 12:56:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [dvnr] Gathering cancelled ???
In-Reply-To: <6093bbb8-0622-a2ca-6f21-44592c4b4368@casano.com>
References: <6093bbb8-0622-a2ca-6f21-44592c4b4368@casano.com>
Message-ID: <1373717356.1878160.1584449778480@mail.yahoo.com>

Well.....None of us really don't know what to do because it's changing on a daily basis....Sorry I missed the meeting on Sunday...was at my grandsons birthday party...and I was leary to be around so many little kids.....I'm thinkin the gathering is done for this year....My friend Gregg and I will go over anyway to toast the club....if were allowed......Drastic measures but until this calms down we might think of no club meetings for awhile....
? Todd


-----Original Message-----
From: William F. Dudley Jr. via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com>
To: dvnr <dvnr at casano.com>
Sent: Mon, Mar 16, 2020 4:08 pm
Subject: [dvnr] Gathering cancelled ???

I just heard from somebody (not in the DVNR) that Washington
Crossing Park is "shut down" and the Gathering cancelled.

Does anybody have any official information on this?

Thanks,
Bill Dudley
_______________________________________________
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DVNR at casano.com
https://mailman.dudley.nu/mailman/listinfo/dvnr
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From pa.guitars at verizon.net  Tue Mar 17 09:32:11 2020
From: pa.guitars at verizon.net (pa.guitars)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 09:32:11 -0400
Subject: [dvnr] Gathering cancelled ???
In-Reply-To: <mailman.91.1584449801.2097.dvnr@casano.com>
References: <mailman.91.1584449801.2097.dvnr@casano.com>
Message-ID: <A2DDBBC3-51A5-45FE-8D1E-239FBD334B6B@verizon.net>

We could always have an impromptu members only meet up on that day at a parking lot somewhere as long as we follow legal guidelines. Park the bikes 6 feet apart, of course. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 17, 2020, at 8:56 AM, Revere Robertson via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com> wrote:
> 
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From pa.guitars at verizon.net  Tue Mar 17 09:32:11 2020
From: pa.guitars at verizon.net (pa.guitars)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 09:32:11 -0400
Subject: [dvnr] Gathering cancelled ???
In-Reply-To: <mailman.91.1584449801.2097.dvnr@casano.com>
References: <mailman.91.1584449801.2097.dvnr@casano.com>
Message-ID: <A2DDBBC3-51A5-45FE-8D1E-239FBD334B6B@verizon.net>

We could always have an impromptu members only meet up on that day at a parking lot somewhere as long as we follow legal guidelines. Park the bikes 6 feet apart, of course. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 17, 2020, at 8:56 AM, Revere Robertson via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com> wrote:
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From G_ROETENBERG at msn.com  Tue Mar 17 14:56:29 2020
From: G_ROETENBERG at msn.com (GEORGE)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 18:56:29 +0000
Subject: [dvnr] message about the gathering from the pres
Message-ID: <OSAPR01MB462897460159C426C155C232E8F60@OSAPR01MB4628.jpnprd01.prod.outlook.com>

Gents,

First, the park is closed now with no reopen date. We cant have it there if it is not open.  We are in the wait and see mode and I will wait until about two weeks before the gathering to figure out what we are doing. That is all we could come up with at the March meeting.

We still have the tshirt order and insurance going forward.

Options:
-Change of location
-Change of date to later in the year
-Try to combine with Triumph Gathering in Oley
-Scaled back effort.  Could be just for club members only.

George


From dansellers45 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 18 01:01:49 2020
From: dansellers45 at gmail.com (Daniel Sellers)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 00:01:49 -0500
Subject: [dvnr] Report of DVNR March 15 Membership Meeting
Message-ID: <CAAf9jy7KDETi7_E6KLY11eXjgWOWp+vktnT7gDjFDBMSZ88-Hw@mail.gmail.com>

The March DVNR meeting was hosted by David Behnken at his home in
Bloomsburry NJ. Starting at 11 AM. The weather was a relatively mild day
light breezes and a clear sky. Three members rode to the meeting on non
marque two wheel machines. 24 club members showed up to make some decisions
regarding the activities for the Spring season.



When we arrived Dave had food and drink for the meeting stored away and
ready to set out. Most of the club gathered in the workshop to see what was
new in Dave?s inventory and to see which bikes were occupying the lifts.
Jack Lyons trailered his non running 1969 (Norton) Mercury for a club look
see. The Mercury was a very interesting bike as it was never imported into
the USA and were made from left over Atlas frames and fitted with the pre
Atlas 650 Manxman engine. Single carburetor for the Mercury and dual carb
for the SS. Jack aquired the Mercury from a friend in England who stopped
riding several years ago. What a lucky find. Jack had sent the carburetor
to me to check out. Seeing that the mounting flange was bent and the bore
was out of round I asked Don Kuterbach for his help in restoring the
carburetor to usable condition. Don performed his magic and the throttle
slide fit perfectly and the flange was restored to a dead flat condition. I
was busy with club business and Ryan and Tom Weisel along with Frank Mohr
installed the carburetor and proceeded to get the bike running. After a few
attempts Ryan discovered that the right plug wasn?t firing. Off with the
points cover and a little cleaning and before you knew it the bike was
running smoothly, well as smoothly as a solidly mounted parallel twin
Norton could run. Nice work guys. Jack was very happy. Now we need to work
on him to get paid up on his dues.



Halfway through the Mercury repair we held our membership meeting.



President George opened the meeting with a discussion on the upcoming
?Gathering? scheduled for Sunday April 26. We have T shirts on order for
the event and at this time it seems uncertain if the ?Gathering? will be
held with the statewide restriction on public gatherings.



Ryan Weisel reported that he heard on the way to the meeting that the PA
State Park Service had shut down all Parks until further notice. The topic
was debated for some time. We finally concluded that when the park is shut
down the entrances are barricaded and entrance is forbidden.



George reported that if the Park Office is closed it is unlikely we will
get a contract to hold the event in any case.



Treasurer Dan reported that he purchased the event insurance early last
week in anticipation of getting the Use Contract. Cost was $225 this year
for the coverage required by the State Park Service. We should be able to
cancel the contract with maybe just a processing fee. We?ll wait and see.



Bob Katz reported that he contacted the food vendor we have used for the
last two years. He is willing to provide the food service again this year
but must know for sure so he can order the food at least a week before the
event.



At this time it is a tossup if the rules against holding gatherings in
excess of 50 people will be lifted in time to schedule and hold our
?Gathering?.



*Post meeting note: Following the meeting it has become evident that the
quarantine rules and restrictions on large gatherings will last more than 4
weeks. The event looks more unlikely today than it did Sunday.*



The discussion turned to holding the event at an alternate site in a large
parking lot. While that might be an option it is unlikely that any property
owner would want 1,000 or more motorcycles in their parking lot on a
Sunday. Not exactly a win - win for a property owner.



Another option discussed was the possibility of going for a vintage ride
and ending up at a restaurant where we could have lunch. Not likely to work
if the take out only rule remains for restaurants.



Perhaps we could work something out to hold some form of our ?Gathering? at
the Triumph National? rally in Oley in late June.



A vote was taken to keep the Tshirt order in. If we can get the ?Gathering?
in at Washington Crossing Park we will do so. If we are not permitted we
will consider options. We don?t have another meeting location scheduled and
can?t plan to do so until the group meeting restrictions are lifted and the
Coronavirus 19 health threat to us and the public are over.



It was noted that the Classic Motorcycle Day in Mt Airy Maryland is
scheduled for May 17 and it may be in jeopardy of being canceled. The INOA
Rip Van Norton Rally is scheduled for July 13 to 17. If the quarantine
continues that too might be in jeopardy. Tari Norum noted that the Rally
Banquet will be held on Thursday night and there is only one activity
scheduled, we think a track day, for Friday. Attendees may want to plan to
leave Fri morning.



George asked if the members wanted to plan for some kind of club event
during the summer months. A short discussion followed. Treasure Dan
suggested that we had talked about and overnight ride to Bills Bike Barn in
past years. That would be an easy ride for a vintage bike and the overnight
stay would keep hours on the road to an easy ride.  Bob Norum stated that
he would look into a group ride of some kind to offer to our group. We will
follow up on this.



After the formal meeting, the gang poured into the kitchen to chow down on
the great lunch Dave had planned for us. Pres George and Secretary Kenneth
Kopec signed our AMA renewal form for 2020. Then it was back down to Dave?s
shop to work on the disabled Mercury.



A note from your Treasurer/Membership Secretary.

As of today we have 34 of our 62 regular members with paid dues for 2020.
With the Gathering in question, I am thinking about mailing renewal
membership forms to the 32 unpaid members, many of who pay and renew at the
Gathering. Any thoughts pro or con are welcome on our mail server. From
your DVNR registered email address send your thoughts to dvnr at casano.com.



Respectfully Submitted

Dan Sellers

DVNR Treasurer/Membership Secretary


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From davidebehnken at gmail.com  Wed Mar 18 10:00:28 2020
From: davidebehnken at gmail.com (David Behnken)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 10:00:28 -0400
Subject: [dvnr] Report of DVNR March 15 Membership Meeting
In-Reply-To: <CAAf9jy7KDETi7_E6KLY11eXjgWOWp+vktnT7gDjFDBMSZ88-Hw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAf9jy7KDETi7_E6KLY11eXjgWOWp+vktnT7gDjFDBMSZ88-Hw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOLOX730GjKu=aLbj+aOfZu423AjKAQqsDiaKg1bNTkuMqSbCw@mail.gmail.com>

Great write up Dan.  Thanks to all that attended. It was good to see
everyone and I?m glad people enjoyed themselves.

It?s amazing to see how fast things are changing with COVID-19, even from
just a day or two before to Sunday after the meeting.  My boss at work sent
this link out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgBla7RepXU  It goes through
and illustrates the math very well. Quite eye opening and good to pass
along. Be well everyone!

David B


On Wednesday, March 18, 2020, Daniel Sellers via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com>
wrote:

> The March DVNR meeting was hosted by David Behnken at his home in
> Bloomsburry NJ. Starting at 11 AM. The weather was a relatively mild day
> light breezes and a clear sky. Three members rode to the meeting on non
> marque two wheel machines. 24 club members showed up to make some decisions
> regarding the activities for the Spring season.
>
>
>
> When we arrived Dave had food and drink for the meeting stored away and
> ready to set out. Most of the club gathered in the workshop to see what was
> new in Dave?s inventory and to see which bikes were occupying the lifts.
> Jack Lyons trailered his non running 1969 (Norton) Mercury for a club look
> see. The Mercury was a very interesting bike as it was never imported into
> the USA and were made from left over Atlas frames and fitted with the pre
> Atlas 650 Manxman engine. Single carburetor for the Mercury and dual carb
> for the SS. Jack aquired the Mercury from a friend in England who stopped
> riding several years ago. What a lucky find. Jack had sent the carburetor
> to me to check out. Seeing that the mounting flange was bent and the bore
> was out of round I asked Don Kuterbach for his help in restoring the
> carburetor to usable condition. Don performed his magic and the throttle
> slide fit perfectly and the flange was restored to a dead flat condition. I
> was busy with club business and Ryan and Tom Weisel along with Frank Mohr
> installed the carburetor and proceeded to get the bike running. After a few
> attempts Ryan discovered that the right plug wasn?t firing. Off with the
> points cover and a little cleaning and before you knew it the bike was
> running smoothly, well as smoothly as a solidly mounted parallel twin
> Norton could run. Nice work guys. Jack was very happy. Now we need to work
> on him to get paid up on his dues.
>
>
>
> Halfway through the Mercury repair we held our membership meeting.
>
>
>
> President George opened the meeting with a discussion on the upcoming
> ?Gathering? scheduled for Sunday April 26. We have T shirts on order for
> the event and at this time it seems uncertain if the ?Gathering? will be
> held with the statewide restriction on public gatherings.
>
>
>
> Ryan Weisel reported that he heard on the way to the meeting that the PA
> State Park Service had shut down all Parks until further notice. The topic
> was debated for some time. We finally concluded that when the park is shut
> down the entrances are barricaded and entrance is forbidden.
>
>
>
> George reported that if the Park Office is closed it is unlikely we will
> get a contract to hold the event in any case.
>
>
>
> Treasurer Dan reported that he purchased the event insurance early last
> week in anticipation of getting the Use Contract. Cost was $225 this year
> for the coverage required by the State Park Service. We should be able to
> cancel the contract with maybe just a processing fee. We?ll wait and see.
>
>
>
> Bob Katz reported that he contacted the food vendor we have used for the
> last two years. He is willing to provide the food service again this year
> but must know for sure so he can order the food at least a week before the
> event.
>
>
>
> At this time it is a tossup if the rules against holding gatherings in
> excess of 50 people will be lifted in time to schedule and hold our
> ?Gathering?.
>
>
>
> *Post meeting note: Following the meeting it has become evident that the
> quarantine rules and restrictions on large gatherings will last more than 4
> weeks. The event looks more unlikely today than it did Sunday.*
>
>
>
> The discussion turned to holding the event at an alternate site in a large
> parking lot. While that might be an option it is unlikely that any property
> owner would want 1,000 or more motorcycles in their parking lot on a
> Sunday. Not exactly a win - win for a property owner.
>
>
>
> Another option discussed was the possibility of going for a vintage ride
> and ending up at a restaurant where we could have lunch. Not likely to work
> if the take out only rule remains for restaurants.
>
>
>
> Perhaps we could work something out to hold some form of our ?Gathering? at
> the Triumph National? rally in Oley in late June.
>
>
>
> A vote was taken to keep the Tshirt order in. If we can get the ?Gathering?
> in at Washington Crossing Park we will do so. If we are not permitted we
> will consider options. We don?t have another meeting location scheduled and
> can?t plan to do so until the group meeting restrictions are lifted and the
> Coronavirus 19 health threat to us and the public are over.
>
>
>
> It was noted that the Classic Motorcycle Day in Mt Airy Maryland is
> scheduled for May 17 and it may be in jeopardy of being canceled. The INOA
> Rip Van Norton Rally is scheduled for July 13 to 17. If the quarantine
> continues that too might be in jeopardy. Tari Norum noted that the Rally
> Banquet will be held on Thursday night and there is only one activity
> scheduled, we think a track day, for Friday. Attendees may want to plan to
> leave Fri morning.
>
>
>
> George asked if the members wanted to plan for some kind of club event
> during the summer months. A short discussion followed. Treasure Dan
> suggested that we had talked about and overnight ride to Bills Bike Barn in
> past years. That would be an easy ride for a vintage bike and the overnight
> stay would keep hours on the road to an easy ride.  Bob Norum stated that
> he would look into a group ride of some kind to offer to our group. We will
> follow up on this.
>
>
>
> After the formal meeting, the gang poured into the kitchen to chow down on
> the great lunch Dave had planned for us. Pres George and Secretary Kenneth
> Kopec signed our AMA renewal form for 2020. Then it was back down to Dave?s
> shop to work on the disabled Mercury.
>
>
>
> A note from your Treasurer/Membership Secretary.
>
> As of today we have 34 of our 62 regular members with paid dues for 2020.
> With the Gathering in question, I am thinking about mailing renewal
> membership forms to the 32 unpaid members, many of who pay and renew at the
> Gathering. Any thoughts pro or con are welcome on our mail server. From
> your DVNR registered email address send your thoughts to dvnr at casano.com.
>
>
>
> Respectfully Submitted
>
> Dan Sellers
>
> DVNR Treasurer/Membership Secretary
>
>
> PDF file of this email attached.
>


From saxmanrich at gmail.com  Wed Mar 18 22:43:49 2020
From: saxmanrich at gmail.com (richard casey)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 22:43:49 -0400
Subject: [dvnr] Report of DVNR March 15 Membership Meeting
In-Reply-To: <CAOLOX730GjKu=aLbj+aOfZu423AjKAQqsDiaKg1bNTkuMqSbCw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAf9jy7KDETi7_E6KLY11eXjgWOWp+vktnT7gDjFDBMSZ88-Hw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOLOX730GjKu=aLbj+aOfZu423AjKAQqsDiaKg1bNTkuMqSbCw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGzjQzP+Y9KDHLAKatFH=s-yE9M3q29vYUYfy82zFj0ajas9Ow@mail.gmail.com>

Excellent report Dan!

On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 10:01 AM David Behnken via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com>
wrote:

> Great write up Dan.  Thanks to all that attended. It was good to see
> everyone and I?m glad people enjoyed themselves.
>
> It?s amazing to see how fast things are changing with COVID-19, even from
> just a day or two before to Sunday after the meeting.  My boss at work sent
> this link out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgBla7RepXU  It goes
> through
> and illustrates the math very well. Quite eye opening and good to pass
> along. Be well everyone!
>
> David B
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 18, 2020, Daniel Sellers via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com>
> wrote:
>
> > The March DVNR meeting was hosted by David Behnken at his home in
> > Bloomsburry NJ. Starting at 11 AM. The weather was a relatively mild day
> > light breezes and a clear sky. Three members rode to the meeting on non
> > marque two wheel machines. 24 club members showed up to make some
> decisions
> > regarding the activities for the Spring season.
> >
> >
> >
> > When we arrived Dave had food and drink for the meeting stored away and
> > ready to set out. Most of the club gathered in the workshop to see what
> was
> > new in Dave?s inventory and to see which bikes were occupying the lifts.
> > Jack Lyons trailered his non running 1969 (Norton) Mercury for a club
> look
> > see. The Mercury was a very interesting bike as it was never imported
> into
> > the USA and were made from left over Atlas frames and fitted with the pre
> > Atlas 650 Manxman engine. Single carburetor for the Mercury and dual carb
> > for the SS. Jack aquired the Mercury from a friend in England who stopped
> > riding several years ago. What a lucky find. Jack had sent the carburetor
> > to me to check out. Seeing that the mounting flange was bent and the bore
> > was out of round I asked Don Kuterbach for his help in restoring the
> > carburetor to usable condition. Don performed his magic and the throttle
> > slide fit perfectly and the flange was restored to a dead flat
> condition. I
> > was busy with club business and Ryan and Tom Weisel along with Frank Mohr
> > installed the carburetor and proceeded to get the bike running. After a
> few
> > attempts Ryan discovered that the right plug wasn?t firing. Off with the
> > points cover and a little cleaning and before you knew it the bike was
> > running smoothly, well as smoothly as a solidly mounted parallel twin
> > Norton could run. Nice work guys. Jack was very happy. Now we need to
> work
> > on him to get paid up on his dues.
> >
> >
> >
> > Halfway through the Mercury repair we held our membership meeting.
> >
> >
> >
> > President George opened the meeting with a discussion on the upcoming
> > ?Gathering? scheduled for Sunday April 26. We have T shirts on order for
> > the event and at this time it seems uncertain if the ?Gathering? will be
> > held with the statewide restriction on public gatherings.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ryan Weisel reported that he heard on the way to the meeting that the PA
> > State Park Service had shut down all Parks until further notice. The
> topic
> > was debated for some time. We finally concluded that when the park is
> shut
> > down the entrances are barricaded and entrance is forbidden.
> >
> >
> >
> > George reported that if the Park Office is closed it is unlikely we will
> > get a contract to hold the event in any case.
> >
> >
> >
> > Treasurer Dan reported that he purchased the event insurance early last
> > week in anticipation of getting the Use Contract. Cost was $225 this year
> > for the coverage required by the State Park Service. We should be able to
> > cancel the contract with maybe just a processing fee. We?ll wait and see.
> >
> >
> >
> > Bob Katz reported that he contacted the food vendor we have used for the
> > last two years. He is willing to provide the food service again this year
> > but must know for sure so he can order the food at least a week before
> the
> > event.
> >
> >
> >
> > At this time it is a tossup if the rules against holding gatherings in
> > excess of 50 people will be lifted in time to schedule and hold our
> > ?Gathering?.
> >
> >
> >
> > *Post meeting note: Following the meeting it has become evident that the
> > quarantine rules and restrictions on large gatherings will last more
> than 4
> > weeks. The event looks more unlikely today than it did Sunday.*
> >
> >
> >
> > The discussion turned to holding the event at an alternate site in a
> large
> > parking lot. While that might be an option it is unlikely that any
> property
> > owner would want 1,000 or more motorcycles in their parking lot on a
> > Sunday. Not exactly a win - win for a property owner.
> >
> >
> >
> > Another option discussed was the possibility of going for a vintage ride
> > and ending up at a restaurant where we could have lunch. Not likely to
> work
> > if the take out only rule remains for restaurants.
> >
> >
> >
> > Perhaps we could work something out to hold some form of our ?Gathering?
> at
> > the Triumph National? rally in Oley in late June.
> >
> >
> >
> > A vote was taken to keep the Tshirt order in. If we can get the
> ?Gathering?
> > in at Washington Crossing Park we will do so. If we are not permitted we
> > will consider options. We don?t have another meeting location scheduled
> and
> > can?t plan to do so until the group meeting restrictions are lifted and
> the
> > Coronavirus 19 health threat to us and the public are over.
> >
> >
> >
> > It was noted that the Classic Motorcycle Day in Mt Airy Maryland is
> > scheduled for May 17 and it may be in jeopardy of being canceled. The
> INOA
> > Rip Van Norton Rally is scheduled for July 13 to 17. If the quarantine
> > continues that too might be in jeopardy. Tari Norum noted that the Rally
> > Banquet will be held on Thursday night and there is only one activity
> > scheduled, we think a track day, for Friday. Attendees may want to plan
> to
> > leave Fri morning.
> >
> >
> >
> > George asked if the members wanted to plan for some kind of club event
> > during the summer months. A short discussion followed. Treasure Dan
> > suggested that we had talked about and overnight ride to Bills Bike Barn
> in
> > past years. That would be an easy ride for a vintage bike and the
> overnight
> > stay would keep hours on the road to an easy ride.  Bob Norum stated that
> > he would look into a group ride of some kind to offer to our group. We
> will
> > follow up on this.
> >
> >
> >
> > After the formal meeting, the gang poured into the kitchen to chow down
> on
> > the great lunch Dave had planned for us. Pres George and Secretary
> Kenneth
> > Kopec signed our AMA renewal form for 2020. Then it was back down to
> Dave?s
> > shop to work on the disabled Mercury.
> >
> >
> >
> > A note from your Treasurer/Membership Secretary.
> >
> > As of today we have 34 of our 62 regular members with paid dues for 2020.
> > With the Gathering in question, I am thinking about mailing renewal
> > membership forms to the 32 unpaid members, many of who pay and renew at
> the
> > Gathering. Any thoughts pro or con are welcome on our mail server. From
> > your DVNR registered email address send your thoughts to dvnr at casano.com
> .
> >
> >
> >
> > Respectfully Submitted
> >
> > Dan Sellers
> >
> > DVNR Treasurer/Membership Secretary
> >
> >
> > PDF file of this email attached.
> >
> _______________________________________________
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> DVNR at casano.com
> https://mailman.dudley.nu/mailman/listinfo/dvnr
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>


From robertnorum1953 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 20 11:43:28 2020
From: robertnorum1953 at gmail.com (robertnorum1953 at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 11:43:28 -0400
Subject: [dvnr] Photos from last Sunday
Message-ID: <02b901d5fece$4d25ab10$e7710130$@gmail.com>

Enjoy!

 

Bob Norum

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From dsellerspa at verizon.net  Fri Mar 20 13:54:23 2020
From: dsellerspa at verizon.net (Daniel Sellers)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 17:54:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [dvnr] Photos from last Sunday
References: <510321968.1009406.1584726863374.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <510321968.1009406.1584726863374@mail.yahoo.com>

Thank you Bob Norum for the photo essay on our recent meeting. You have done a great job.? I hope you will be able to join us more often to repeat the effort. This should give some of our members who don't make meetings the warm and friendly atmosphere of our meeting. Glad you didn't get any shots of me quelling the crowd during the meeting when everyone was talking at once.
Dan Sellers
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Norum via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com>
To: dvnr <dvnr at casano.com>
Sent: Fri, Mar 20, 2020 10:45 am
Subject: [dvnr] Photos from last Sunday

Enjoy!

 

Bob Norum

_______________________________________________
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From G_ROETENBERG at msn.com  Sat Mar 21 10:08:49 2020
From: G_ROETENBERG at msn.com (GEORGE)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 14:08:49 +0000
Subject: [dvnr] We have been shut down by the park for April 26 gathering
Message-ID: <OSAPR01MB4628F4727BB40609FCD03771E8F20@OSAPR01MB4628.jpnprd01.prod.outlook.com>

Gents,

The park sent me an email saying they were cancelling all April events.  We have postponed the tshirt order.  There is also no need for a pre-gathering tune up session.  Interestingly, the park is open now.

I hope everyone is well and enjoying some social distancing.  If you were planning on renewing your membership at the park, just send the form directly to Dan following the instructions on the DVNR site.

Options are still the same for the Gathering:
-Change of location
-Change of date to later in the year
-Try to combine with Triumph Gathering in Oley
-Scaled back effort.  Could be just for club members only.

George



From dud at casano.com  Tue Mar 24 18:46:32 2020
From: dud at casano.com (William F. Dudley Jr.)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 18:46:32 -0400
Subject: [dvnr] advise needed oil leak
Message-ID: <8d0c85b6-834c-2a3a-ef94-30d7e3c15c99@casano.com>

Hi,

My 71 Commando is weeping oil out of the motor.

There are two leaks.  One is the case joint between left and
right halves, aft of the oil drain/oil screen.

The other one is from the screw around which I have drawn
a red circle in the attached photo.

I don't want to disassemble the entire motorcycle for these
stupid leaks.  I can goober up the case on the seam with some
RTV and stop that leak, but the one at the screw is harder,
since the screw is hidden behind the engine mounting plate.
(I also have some more sophisticated means to seal that leak
on the seam.  So I may not end up goobering it up with RTV.)

I thought that if I drilled a hole in the engine mounting plate,
right over that screw, then I could then sort out that leak
one way or another.

Questions:

1. what does that screw do?  Does it just plug an oil way after
the factory drilled the oil way during manufacturing?

2. Does anyone have a Commando case not mounted in a motorcycle
from which they could measure 'X' and 'Y' as shown on my drawing?
That will help me locate where to drill.

I plan on putting a stainless plate between the engine mounting
plate and the crankcase when I drill, so that I don't overshoot
and make a mess of the case.

Thanks,
-- 
Bill Dudley
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From dansellers45 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 24 20:02:31 2020
From: dansellers45 at gmail.com (Daniel Sellers)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 19:02:31 -0500
Subject: [dvnr] advise needed oil leak
In-Reply-To: <8d0c85b6-834c-2a3a-ef94-30d7e3c15c99@casano.com>
References: <8d0c85b6-834c-2a3a-ef94-30d7e3c15c99@casano.com>
Message-ID: <CAAf9jy52+6gL-fsD2D1Egw5TSQ+dQmGV7pnCWaysOcTZ6ZcTyQ@mail.gmail.com>

Bill
The screw circled in red is one of two machine screws that fasten the left
and right crankcase halves together independent of the larger bolts that
fasten the engine to the cradle. The oil is likely leaking from the same
location and some coming from the crankcase half joint and some getting out
of the same leak an weeping out the screw hole. Did the bolts mounting the
engine to the cradle work loose? Good luck sealing a leak externally after
oil has gotten between the existing seal between the case and sealant. You
might be able to reduce the leak by tightening the 1/4" machine screw and
mounting bolts.

These are my thoughts. I'm sure you will have some experts explain it
better.

Dan Sellers

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 5:47 PM William F. Dudley Jr. via DVNR <
dvnr at casano.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> My 71 Commando is weeping oil out of the motor.
>
> There are two leaks.  One is the case joint between left and
> right halves, aft of the oil drain/oil screen.
>
> The other one is from the screw around which I have drawn
> a red circle in the attached photo.
>
> I don't want to disassemble the entire motorcycle for these
> stupid leaks.  I can goober up the case on the seam with some
> RTV and stop that leak, but the one at the screw is harder,
> since the screw is hidden behind the engine mounting plate.
> (I also have some more sophisticated means to seal that leak
> on the seam.  So I may not end up goobering it up with RTV.)
>
> I thought that if I drilled a hole in the engine mounting plate,
> right over that screw, then I could then sort out that leak
> one way or another.
>
> Questions:
>
> 1. what does that screw do?  Does it just plug an oil way after
> the factory drilled the oil way during manufacturing?
>
> 2. Does anyone have a Commando case not mounted in a motorcycle
> from which they could measure 'X' and 'Y' as shown on my drawing?
> That will help me locate where to drill.
>
> I plan on putting a stainless plate between the engine mounting
> plate and the crankcase when I drill, so that I don't overshoot
> and make a mess of the case.
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Bill Dudley
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From saxmanrich at gmail.com  Tue Mar 24 21:22:09 2020
From: saxmanrich at gmail.com (richard casey)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 21:22:09 -0400
Subject: [dvnr] advise needed oil leak
In-Reply-To: <CAAf9jy52+6gL-fsD2D1Egw5TSQ+dQmGV7pnCWaysOcTZ6ZcTyQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d0c85b6-834c-2a3a-ef94-30d7e3c15c99@casano.com>
 <CAAf9jy52+6gL-fsD2D1Egw5TSQ+dQmGV7pnCWaysOcTZ6ZcTyQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I second what Mr Sellers has stated.

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 7:03 PM Daniel Sellers via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com>
wrote:

> Bill
> The screw circled in red is one of two machine screws that fasten the left
> and right crankcase halves together independent of the larger bolts that
> fasten the engine to the cradle. The oil is likely leaking from the same
> location and some coming from the crankcase half joint and some getting out
> of the same leak an weeping out the screw hole. Did the bolts mounting the
> engine to the cradle work loose? Good luck sealing a leak externally after
> oil has gotten between the existing seal between the case and sealant. You
> might be able to reduce the leak by tightening the 1/4" machine screw and
> mounting bolts.
>
> These are my thoughts. I'm sure you will have some experts explain it
> better.
>
> Dan Sellers
>
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 5:47 PM William F. Dudley Jr. via DVNR <
> dvnr at casano.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > My 71 Commando is weeping oil out of the motor.
> >
> > There are two leaks.  One is the case joint between left and
> > right halves, aft of the oil drain/oil screen.
> >
> > The other one is from the screw around which I have drawn
> > a red circle in the attached photo.
> >
> > I don't want to disassemble the entire motorcycle for these
> > stupid leaks.  I can goober up the case on the seam with some
> > RTV and stop that leak, but the one at the screw is harder,
> > since the screw is hidden behind the engine mounting plate.
> > (I also have some more sophisticated means to seal that leak
> > on the seam.  So I may not end up goobering it up with RTV.)
> >
> > I thought that if I drilled a hole in the engine mounting plate,
> > right over that screw, then I could then sort out that leak
> > one way or another.
> >
> > Questions:
> >
> > 1. what does that screw do?  Does it just plug an oil way after
> > the factory drilled the oil way during manufacturing?
> >
> > 2. Does anyone have a Commando case not mounted in a motorcycle
> > from which they could measure 'X' and 'Y' as shown on my drawing?
> > That will help me locate where to drill.
> >
> > I plan on putting a stainless plate between the engine mounting
> > plate and the crankcase when I drill, so that I don't overshoot
> > and make a mess of the case.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > --
> > Bill Dudley
> > _______________________________________________
> > DVNR mailing list
> > DVNR at casano.com
> > https://mailman.dudley.nu/mailman/listinfo/dvnr
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From dansellers45 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 25 15:34:52 2020
From: dansellers45 at gmail.com (Daniel Sellers)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 14:34:52 -0500
Subject: [dvnr] advise needed oil leak
In-Reply-To: <CAGzjQzO+=-xAucO0ZSfqB+mwtLUHRrYGcfHv=WGmr1raQc0=+A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d0c85b6-834c-2a3a-ef94-30d7e3c15c99@casano.com>
 <CAAf9jy52+6gL-fsD2D1Egw5TSQ+dQmGV7pnCWaysOcTZ6ZcTyQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGzjQzO+=-xAucO0ZSfqB+mwtLUHRrYGcfHv=WGmr1raQc0=+A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAf9jy680GqAyPXriUWMAAwgDZ0wOF44rCPPvJUTjGzwptazZQ@mail.gmail.com>

OK Mr Dudley

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 8:22 PM richard casey <saxmanrich at gmail.com> wrote:

> I second what Mr Sellers has stated.
>
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 7:03 PM Daniel Sellers via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Bill
>> The screw circled in red is one of two machine screws that fasten the left
>> and right crankcase halves together independent of the larger bolts that
>> fasten the engine to the cradle. The oil is likely leaking from the same
>> location and some coming from the crankcase half joint and some getting
>> out
>> of the same leak an weeping out the screw hole. Did the bolts mounting the
>> engine to the cradle work loose? Good luck sealing a leak externally after
>> oil has gotten between the existing seal between the case and sealant. You
>> might be able to reduce the leak by tightening the 1/4" machine screw and
>> mounting bolts.
>>
>> These are my thoughts. I'm sure you will have some experts explain it
>> better.
>>
>> Dan Sellers
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 5:47 PM William F. Dudley Jr. via DVNR <
>> dvnr at casano.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > My 71 Commando is weeping oil out of the motor.
>> >
>> > There are two leaks.  One is the case joint between left and
>> > right halves, aft of the oil drain/oil screen.
>> >
>> > The other one is from the screw around which I have drawn
>> > a red circle in the attached photo.
>> >
>> > I don't want to disassemble the entire motorcycle for these
>> > stupid leaks.  I can goober up the case on the seam with some
>> > RTV and stop that leak, but the one at the screw is harder,
>> > since the screw is hidden behind the engine mounting plate.
>> > (I also have some more sophisticated means to seal that leak
>> > on the seam.  So I may not end up goobering it up with RTV.)
>> >
>> > I thought that if I drilled a hole in the engine mounting plate,
>> > right over that screw, then I could then sort out that leak
>> > one way or another.
>> >
>> > Questions:
>> >
>> > 1. what does that screw do?  Does it just plug an oil way after
>> > the factory drilled the oil way during manufacturing?
>> >
>> > 2. Does anyone have a Commando case not mounted in a motorcycle
>> > from which they could measure 'X' and 'Y' as shown on my drawing?
>> > That will help me locate where to drill.
>> >
>> > I plan on putting a stainless plate between the engine mounting
>> > plate and the crankcase when I drill, so that I don't overshoot
>> > and make a mess of the case.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > --
>> > Bill Dudley
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > DVNR mailing list
>> > DVNR at casano.com
>> > https://mailman.dudley.nu/mailman/listinfo/dvnr
>> > UNSUBSCRIBE: mail to DVNR-unsubscribe at casano.com
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From dansellers45 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 25 15:53:26 2020
From: dansellers45 at gmail.com (Daniel Sellers)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 14:53:26 -0500
Subject: [dvnr] advise needed oil leak
In-Reply-To: <CAAf9jy680GqAyPXriUWMAAwgDZ0wOF44rCPPvJUTjGzwptazZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d0c85b6-834c-2a3a-ef94-30d7e3c15c99@casano.com>
 <CAAf9jy52+6gL-fsD2D1Egw5TSQ+dQmGV7pnCWaysOcTZ6ZcTyQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGzjQzO+=-xAucO0ZSfqB+mwtLUHRrYGcfHv=WGmr1raQc0=+A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAAf9jy680GqAyPXriUWMAAwgDZ0wOF44rCPPvJUTjGzwptazZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAf9jy4e6L7J28bp2h+D17fVpTO8zBhu+rJ2iEhHFiAZF3d32Q@mail.gmail.com>

OK Mr Dudley
The dimensions for the screw hole on an 850 Commando that pertain to your
dimension "X" and "Y" are:
X = 1.885"
Y=  2.44"
Mind you I am measuring from two different planes but dimensions are taken
from one plane. I compared the dimensions to a 750 Atlas and they are the
same.

Good Luck with the oil leak.

Cheerio
dan



On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:34 PM Daniel Sellers <dansellers45 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> OK Mr Dudley
>
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 8:22 PM richard casey <saxmanrich at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I second what Mr Sellers has stated.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 7:03 PM Daniel Sellers via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Bill
>>> The screw circled in red is one of two machine screws that fasten the
>>> left
>>> and right crankcase halves together independent of the larger bolts that
>>> fasten the engine to the cradle. The oil is likely leaking from the same
>>> location and some coming from the crankcase half joint and some getting
>>> out
>>> of the same leak an weeping out the screw hole. Did the bolts mounting
>>> the
>>> engine to the cradle work loose? Good luck sealing a leak externally
>>> after
>>> oil has gotten between the existing seal between the case and sealant.
>>> You
>>> might be able to reduce the leak by tightening the 1/4" machine screw and
>>> mounting bolts.
>>>
>>> These are my thoughts. I'm sure you will have some experts explain it
>>> better.
>>>
>>> Dan Sellers
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 5:47 PM William F. Dudley Jr. via DVNR <
>>> dvnr at casano.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > My 71 Commando is weeping oil out of the motor.
>>> >
>>> > There are two leaks.  One is the case joint between left and
>>> > right halves, aft of the oil drain/oil screen.
>>> >
>>> > The other one is from the screw around which I have drawn
>>> > a red circle in the attached photo.
>>> >
>>> > I don't want to disassemble the entire motorcycle for these
>>> > stupid leaks.  I can goober up the case on the seam with some
>>> > RTV and stop that leak, but the one at the screw is harder,
>>> > since the screw is hidden behind the engine mounting plate.
>>> > (I also have some more sophisticated means to seal that leak
>>> > on the seam.  So I may not end up goobering it up with RTV.)
>>> >
>>> > I thought that if I drilled a hole in the engine mounting plate,
>>> > right over that screw, then I could then sort out that leak
>>> > one way or another.
>>> >
>>> > Questions:
>>> >
>>> > 1. what does that screw do?  Does it just plug an oil way after
>>> > the factory drilled the oil way during manufacturing?
>>> >
>>> > 2. Does anyone have a Commando case not mounted in a motorcycle
>>> > from which they could measure 'X' and 'Y' as shown on my drawing?
>>> > That will help me locate where to drill.
>>> >
>>> > I plan on putting a stainless plate between the engine mounting
>>> > plate and the crankcase when I drill, so that I don't overshoot
>>> > and make a mess of the case.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> > --
>>> > Bill Dudley
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > DVNR mailing list
>>> > DVNR at casano.com
>>> > https://mailman.dudley.nu/mailman/listinfo/dvnr
>>> > UNSUBSCRIBE: mail to DVNR-unsubscribe at casano.com
>>> >
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From dud at casano.com  Wed Mar 25 17:43:56 2020
From: dud at casano.com (William F. Dudley Jr.)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 17:43:56 -0400
Subject: [dvnr] advise needed oil leak
In-Reply-To: <CAAf9jy4e6L7J28bp2h+D17fVpTO8zBhu+rJ2iEhHFiAZF3d32Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d0c85b6-834c-2a3a-ef94-30d7e3c15c99@casano.com>
 <CAAf9jy52+6gL-fsD2D1Egw5TSQ+dQmGV7pnCWaysOcTZ6ZcTyQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGzjQzO+=-xAucO0ZSfqB+mwtLUHRrYGcfHv=WGmr1raQc0=+A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAAf9jy680GqAyPXriUWMAAwgDZ0wOF44rCPPvJUTjGzwptazZQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAAf9jy4e6L7J28bp2h+D17fVpTO8zBhu+rJ2iEhHFiAZF3d32Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <08f61664-2514-e230-0867-113d58a265ec@casano.com>

Dan et al,

Dan's measurements and my crude measurement technique (working on
the motor IN THE BIKE) were sufficient to get my pilot drill
close, and then by some drill bit abuse I was eventually able
to drill a .400 hole right over the leaky screw.  See attached
picture.

I have successfully removed the screw (it was "tight-ish", but
certainly no struggle to remove).

To re-assemble:

1. should I put lock-tite on the threads (after cleaning screw
and hole with brake cleaner) ?

2. should I put Yamabond on the shank of the screw near the head?

3. what torque should I apply to the screw?  Is there a number,
or is "big grunt with screwdriver" good enough?

Thanks,
Bill Dudley

On 3/25/20 3:53 PM, Daniel Sellers wrote:
> OK Mr Dudley
> The dimensions for the screw hole on an 850 Commando that pertain to 
> your dimension "X" and "Y" are:
> X = 1.885"
> Y=? 2.44"
> Mind you I am measuring from two different planes but dimensions are 
> taken from one plane. I compared the dimensions to a 750 Atlas and they 
> are the same.
> 
> Good Luck with the oil leak.
> 
> Cheerio
> dan
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:34 PM Daniel Sellers <dansellers45 at gmail.com 
> <mailto:dansellers45 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     OK Mr Dudley
> 
>     On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 8:22 PM richard casey <saxmanrich at gmail.com
>     <mailto:saxmanrich at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>         I second what Mr Sellers has stated.
> 
>         On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 7:03 PM Daniel Sellers via DVNR
>         <dvnr at casano.com <mailto:dvnr at casano.com>> wrote:
> 
>             Bill
>             The screw circled in red is one of two machine screws that
>             fasten the left
>             and right crankcase halves together independent of the
>             larger bolts that
>             fasten the engine to the cradle. The oil is likely leaking
>             from the same
>             location and some coming from the crankcase half joint and
>             some getting out
>             of the same leak an weeping out the screw hole. Did the
>             bolts mounting the
>             engine to the cradle work loose? Good luck sealing a leak
>             externally after
>             oil has gotten between the existing seal between the case
>             and sealant. You
>             might be able to reduce the leak by tightening the 1/4"
>             machine screw and
>             mounting bolts.
> 
>             These are my thoughts. I'm sure you will have some experts
>             explain it
>             better.
> 
>             Dan Sellers
> 
>             On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 5:47 PM William F. Dudley Jr. via DVNR <
>             dvnr at casano.com <mailto:dvnr at casano.com>> wrote:
> 
>              > Hi,
>              >
>              > My 71 Commando is weeping oil out of the motor.
>              >
>              > There are two leaks.? One is the case joint between left and
>              > right halves, aft of the oil drain/oil screen.
>              >
>              > The other one is from the screw around which I have drawn
>              > a red circle in the attached photo.
>              >
>              > I don't want to disassemble the entire motorcycle for these
>              > stupid leaks.? I can goober up the case on the seam with some
>              > RTV and stop that leak, but the one at the screw is harder,
>              > since the screw is hidden behind the engine mounting plate.
>              > (I also have some more sophisticated means to seal that leak
>              > on the seam.? So I may not end up goobering it up with RTV.)
>              >
>              > I thought that if I drilled a hole in the engine mounting
>             plate,
>              > right over that screw, then I could then sort out that leak
>              > one way or another.
>              >
>              > Questions:
>              >
>              > 1. what does that screw do?? Does it just plug an oil way
>             after
>              > the factory drilled the oil way during manufacturing?
>              >
>              > 2. Does anyone have a Commando case not mounted in a
>             motorcycle
>              > from which they could measure 'X' and 'Y' as shown on my
>             drawing?
>              > That will help me locate where to drill.
>              >
>              > I plan on putting a stainless plate between the engine
>             mounting
>              > plate and the crankcase when I drill, so that I don't
>             overshoot
>              > and make a mess of the case.
>              >
>              > Thanks,
>              > --
>              > Bill Dudley
>              > _______________________________________________
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From SgtNorton at comcast.net  Wed Mar 25 17:44:29 2020
From: SgtNorton at comcast.net (Frank Mohr)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 17:44:29 -0400
Subject: [dvnr] advise needed oil leak
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Bill 
I have a feeling you?re going to try and fix that leak externally. If it works please let us know. 
Frank

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 25, 2020, at 2:54 PM, Daniel Sellers via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com> wrote:
> 
> ?OK Mr Dudley
> The dimensions for the screw hole on an 850 Commando that pertain to your
> dimension "X" and "Y" are:
> X = 1.885"
> Y=  2.44"
> Mind you I am measuring from two different planes but dimensions are taken
> from one plane. I compared the dimensions to a 750 Atlas and they are the
> same.
> 
> Good Luck with the oil leak.
> 
> Cheerio
> dan
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:34 PM Daniel Sellers <dansellers45 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> OK Mr Dudley
>> 
>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 8:22 PM richard casey <saxmanrich at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I second what Mr Sellers has stated.
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 7:03 PM Daniel Sellers via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Bill
>>>> The screw circled in red is one of two machine screws that fasten the
>>>> left
>>>> and right crankcase halves together independent of the larger bolts that
>>>> fasten the engine to the cradle. The oil is likely leaking from the same
>>>> location and some coming from the crankcase half joint and some getting
>>>> out
>>>> of the same leak an weeping out the screw hole. Did the bolts mounting
>>>> the
>>>> engine to the cradle work loose? Good luck sealing a leak externally
>>>> after
>>>> oil has gotten between the existing seal between the case and sealant.
>>>> You
>>>> might be able to reduce the leak by tightening the 1/4" machine screw and
>>>> mounting bolts.
>>>> 
>>>> These are my thoughts. I'm sure you will have some experts explain it
>>>> better.
>>>> 
>>>> Dan Sellers
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 5:47 PM William F. Dudley Jr. via DVNR <
>>>> dvnr at casano.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> My 71 Commando is weeping oil out of the motor.
>>>>> 
>>>>> There are two leaks.  One is the case joint between left and
>>>>> right halves, aft of the oil drain/oil screen.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The other one is from the screw around which I have drawn
>>>>> a red circle in the attached photo.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I don't want to disassemble the entire motorcycle for these
>>>>> stupid leaks.  I can goober up the case on the seam with some
>>>>> RTV and stop that leak, but the one at the screw is harder,
>>>>> since the screw is hidden behind the engine mounting plate.
>>>>> (I also have some more sophisticated means to seal that leak
>>>>> on the seam.  So I may not end up goobering it up with RTV.)
>>>>> 
>>>>> I thought that if I drilled a hole in the engine mounting plate,
>>>>> right over that screw, then I could then sort out that leak
>>>>> one way or another.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Questions:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1. what does that screw do?  Does it just plug an oil way after
>>>>> the factory drilled the oil way during manufacturing?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2. Does anyone have a Commando case not mounted in a motorcycle
>>>>> from which they could measure 'X' and 'Y' as shown on my drawing?
>>>>> That will help me locate where to drill.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I plan on putting a stainless plate between the engine mounting
>>>>> plate and the crankcase when I drill, so that I don't overshoot
>>>>> and make a mess of the case.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> --
>>>>> Bill Dudley
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> DVNR mailing list
>>>>> DVNR at casano.com
>>>>> https://mailman.dudley.nu/mailman/listinfo/dvnr
>>>>> UNSUBSCRIBE: mail to DVNR-unsubscribe at casano.com
>>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
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From SgtNorton at comcast.net  Wed Mar 25 18:54:33 2020
From: SgtNorton at comcast.net (Frank Mohr)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 18:54:33 -0400
Subject: [dvnr] advise needed oil leak
In-Reply-To: <08f61664-2514-e230-0867-113d58a265ec@casano.com>
References: <08f61664-2514-e230-0867-113d58a265ec@casano.com>
Message-ID: <DFCD8345-4E56-4A30-AC45-CE0D54DDBE8B@comcast.net>

Could use both sealers however you still need the grunt. If you have a older style impact driver the kind you hit with a hammer I?d use that. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 25, 2020, at 5:44 PM, William F. Dudley Jr. via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Dan et al,
> 
> Dan's measurements and my crude measurement technique (working on
> the motor IN THE BIKE) were sufficient to get my pilot drill
> close, and then by some drill bit abuse I was eventually able
> to drill a .400 hole right over the leaky screw.  See attached
> picture.
> 
> I have successfully removed the screw (it was "tight-ish", but
> certainly no struggle to remove).
> 
> To re-assemble:
> 
> 1. should I put lock-tite on the threads (after cleaning screw
> and hole with brake cleaner) ?
> 
> 2. should I put Yamabond on the shank of the screw near the head?
> 
> 3. what torque should I apply to the screw?  Is there a number,
> or is "big grunt with screwdriver" good enough?
> 
> Thanks,
> Bill Dudley
> 
>> On 3/25/20 3:53 PM, Daniel Sellers wrote:
>> OK Mr Dudley
>> The dimensions for the screw hole on an 850 Commando that pertain to your dimension "X" and "Y" are:
>> X = 1.885"
>> Y=  2.44"
>> Mind you I am measuring from two different planes but dimensions are taken from one plane. I compared the dimensions to a 750 Atlas and they are the same.
>> Good Luck with the oil leak.
>> Cheerio
>> dan
>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:34 PM Daniel Sellers <dansellers45 at gmail.com <mailto:dansellers45 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>    OK Mr Dudley
>>    On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 8:22 PM richard casey <saxmanrich at gmail.com
>>    <mailto:saxmanrich at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>        I second what Mr Sellers has stated.
>>        On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 7:03 PM Daniel Sellers via DVNR
>>        <dvnr at casano.com <mailto:dvnr at casano.com>> wrote:
>>            Bill
>>            The screw circled in red is one of two machine screws that
>>            fasten the left
>>            and right crankcase halves together independent of the
>>            larger bolts that
>>            fasten the engine to the cradle. The oil is likely leaking
>>            from the same
>>            location and some coming from the crankcase half joint and
>>            some getting out
>>            of the same leak an weeping out the screw hole. Did the
>>            bolts mounting the
>>            engine to the cradle work loose? Good luck sealing a leak
>>            externally after
>>            oil has gotten between the existing seal between the case
>>            and sealant. You
>>            might be able to reduce the leak by tightening the 1/4"
>>            machine screw and
>>            mounting bolts.
>>            These are my thoughts. I'm sure you will have some experts
>>            explain it
>>            better.
>>            Dan Sellers
>>            On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 5:47 PM William F. Dudley Jr. via DVNR <
>>            dvnr at casano.com <mailto:dvnr at casano.com>> wrote:
>>             > Hi,
>>             >
>>             > My 71 Commando is weeping oil out of the motor.
>>             >
>>             > There are two leaks.  One is the case joint between left and
>>             > right halves, aft of the oil drain/oil screen.
>>             >
>>             > The other one is from the screw around which I have drawn
>>             > a red circle in the attached photo.
>>             >
>>             > I don't want to disassemble the entire motorcycle for these
>>             > stupid leaks.  I can goober up the case on the seam with some
>>             > RTV and stop that leak, but the one at the screw is harder,
>>             > since the screw is hidden behind the engine mounting plate.
>>             > (I also have some more sophisticated means to seal that leak
>>             > on the seam.  So I may not end up goobering it up with RTV.)
>>             >
>>             > I thought that if I drilled a hole in the engine mounting
>>            plate,
>>             > right over that screw, then I could then sort out that leak
>>             > one way or another.
>>             >
>>             > Questions:
>>             >
>>             > 1. what does that screw do?  Does it just plug an oil way
>>            after
>>             > the factory drilled the oil way during manufacturing?
>>             >
>>             > 2. Does anyone have a Commando case not mounted in a
>>            motorcycle
>>             > from which they could measure 'X' and 'Y' as shown on my
>>            drawing?
>>             > That will help me locate where to drill.
>>             >
>>             > I plan on putting a stainless plate between the engine
>>            mounting
>>             > plate and the crankcase when I drill, so that I don't
>>            overshoot
>>             > and make a mess of the case.
>>             >
>>             > Thanks,
>>             > --
>>             > Bill Dudley
>>             > _______________________________________________
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From bsafr at aol.com  Wed Mar 25 18:56:50 2020
From: bsafr at aol.com (bsafr at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 22:56:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [dvnr] advise needed oil leak
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Nice job Bill.? You could have worked on the tunnel digging teams when they bulit the Transcontinental Railway!
Though Im sure its not necessary, what does the group think of the use of a suitably threaded socket head screw to replace the standard one, in addition to the sealants being considered?? I know, I know.... Level 3.
Brian


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From: William F. Dudley Jr. via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com>
To: Daniel Sellers <dansellers45 at gmail.com>
Cc: DVNR <dvnr at casano.com>
Sent: Wed, Mar 25, 2020 5:44 pm
Subject: Re: [dvnr] advise needed oil leak

Dan et al,

Dan's measurements and my crude measurement technique (working on
the motor IN THE BIKE) were sufficient to get my pilot drill
close, and then by some drill bit abuse I was eventually able
to drill a .400 hole right over the leaky screw.? See attached
picture.

I have successfully removed the screw (it was "tight-ish", but
certainly no struggle to remove).

To re-assemble:

1. should I put lock-tite on the threads (after cleaning screw
and hole with brake cleaner) ?

2. should I put Yamabond on the shank of the screw near the head?

3. what torque should I apply to the screw?? Is there a number,
or is "big grunt with screwdriver" good enough?

Thanks,
Bill Dudley

On 3/25/20 3:53 PM, Daniel Sellers wrote:
> OK Mr Dudley
> The dimensions for the screw hole on an 850 Commando that pertain to 
> your dimension "X" and "Y" are:
> X = 1.885"
> Y=? 2.44"
> Mind you I am measuring from two different planes but dimensions are 
> taken from one plane. I compared the dimensions to a 750 Atlas and they 
> are the same.
> 
> Good Luck with the oil leak.
> 
> Cheerio
> dan
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:34 PM Daniel Sellers <dansellers45 at gmail.com 
> <mailto:dansellers45 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>? ? OK Mr Dudley
> 
>? ? On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 8:22 PM richard casey <saxmanrich at gmail.com
>? ? <mailto:saxmanrich at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>? ? ? ? I second what Mr Sellers has stated.
> 
>? ? ? ? On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 7:03 PM Daniel Sellers via DVNR
>? ? ? ? <dvnr at casano.com <mailto:dvnr at casano.com>> wrote:
> 
>? ? ? ? ? ? Bill
>? ? ? ? ? ? The screw circled in red is one of two machine screws that
>? ? ? ? ? ? fasten the left
>? ? ? ? ? ? and right crankcase halves together independent of the
>? ? ? ? ? ? larger bolts that
>? ? ? ? ? ? fasten the engine to the cradle. The oil is likely leaking
>? ? ? ? ? ? from the same
>? ? ? ? ? ? location and some coming from the crankcase half joint and
>? ? ? ? ? ? some getting out
>? ? ? ? ? ? of the same leak an weeping out the screw hole. Did the
>? ? ? ? ? ? bolts mounting the
>? ? ? ? ? ? engine to the cradle work loose? Good luck sealing a leak
>? ? ? ? ? ? externally after
>? ? ? ? ? ? oil has gotten between the existing seal between the case
>? ? ? ? ? ? and sealant. You
>? ? ? ? ? ? might be able to reduce the leak by tightening the 1/4"
>? ? ? ? ? ? machine screw and
>? ? ? ? ? ? mounting bolts.
> 
>? ? ? ? ? ? These are my thoughts. I'm sure you will have some experts
>? ? ? ? ? ? explain it
>? ? ? ? ? ? better.
> 
>? ? ? ? ? ? Dan Sellers
> 
>? ? ? ? ? ? On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 5:47 PM William F. Dudley Jr. via DVNR <
>? ? ? ? ? ? dvnr at casano.com <mailto:dvnr at casano.com>> wrote:
> 
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? > Hi,
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? >
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? > My 71 Commando is weeping oil out of the motor.
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? >
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? > There are two leaks.? One is the case joint between left and
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? > right halves, aft of the oil drain/oil screen.
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? >
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? > The other one is from the screw around which I have drawn
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? > a red circle in the attached photo.
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? >
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? > I don't want to disassemble the entire motorcycle for these
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? > stupid leaks.? I can goober up the case on the seam with some
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? > RTV and stop that leak, but the one at the screw is harder,
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? > since the screw is hidden behind the engine mounting plate.
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? > (I also have some more sophisticated means to seal that leak
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? > on the seam.? So I may not end up goobering it up with RTV.)
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? >
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? > I thought that if I drilled a hole in the engine mounting
>? ? ? ? ? ? plate,
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? > right over that screw, then I could then sort out that leak
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? > one way or another.
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? >
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? > Questions:
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? >
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? > 1. what does that screw do?? Does it just plug an oil way
>? ? ? ? ? ? after
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? > the factory drilled the oil way during manufacturing?
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? >
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? > 2. Does anyone have a Commando case not mounted in a
>? ? ? ? ? ? motorcycle
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? > from which they could measure 'X' and 'Y' as shown on my
>? ? ? ? ? ? drawing?
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? > That will help me locate where to drill.
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? >
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? > I plan on putting a stainless plate between the engine
>? ? ? ? ? ? mounting
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? > plate and the crankcase when I drill, so that I don't
>? ? ? ? ? ? overshoot
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? > and make a mess of the case.
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? >
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? > Thanks,
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? > --
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? > Bill Dudley
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? > _______________________________________________
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? > DVNR mailing list
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From bsafr at aol.com  Wed Mar 25 18:57:56 2020
From: bsafr at aol.com (bsafr at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 22:57:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [dvnr] advise needed oil leak
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I was wondering if Frank was gonna check in.


-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Mohr via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com>
To: William F. Dudley Jr. <dud at casano.com>
Cc: DVNR <dvnr at casano.com>
Sent: Wed, Mar 25, 2020 6:55 pm
Subject: Re: [dvnr] advise needed oil leak

Could use both sealers however you still need the grunt. If you have a older style impact driver the kind you hit with a hammer I?d use that. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 25, 2020, at 5:44 PM, William F. Dudley Jr. via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Dan et al,
> 
> Dan's measurements and my crude measurement technique (working on
> the motor IN THE BIKE) were sufficient to get my pilot drill
> close, and then by some drill bit abuse I was eventually able
> to drill a .400 hole right over the leaky screw.? See attached
> picture.
> 
> I have successfully removed the screw (it was "tight-ish", but
> certainly no struggle to remove).
> 
> To re-assemble:
> 
> 1. should I put lock-tite on the threads (after cleaning screw
> and hole with brake cleaner) ?
> 
> 2. should I put Yamabond on the shank of the screw near the head?
> 
> 3. what torque should I apply to the screw?? Is there a number,
> or is "big grunt with screwdriver" good enough?
> 
> Thanks,
> Bill Dudley
> 
>> On 3/25/20 3:53 PM, Daniel Sellers wrote:
>> OK Mr Dudley
>> The dimensions for the screw hole on an 850 Commando that pertain to your dimension "X" and "Y" are:
>> X = 1.885"
>> Y=? 2.44"
>> Mind you I am measuring from two different planes but dimensions are taken from one plane. I compared the dimensions to a 750 Atlas and they are the same.
>> Good Luck with the oil leak.
>> Cheerio
>> dan
>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:34 PM Daniel Sellers <dansellers45 at gmail.com <mailto:dansellers45 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>? ? OK Mr Dudley
>>? ? On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 8:22 PM richard casey <saxmanrich at gmail.com
>>? ? <mailto:saxmanrich at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>? ? ? ? I second what Mr Sellers has stated.
>>? ? ? ? On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 7:03 PM Daniel Sellers via DVNR
>>? ? ? ? <dvnr at casano.com <mailto:dvnr at casano.com>> wrote:
>>? ? ? ? ? ? Bill
>>? ? ? ? ? ? The screw circled in red is one of two machine screws that
>>? ? ? ? ? ? fasten the left
>>? ? ? ? ? ? and right crankcase halves together independent of the
>>? ? ? ? ? ? larger bolts that
>>? ? ? ? ? ? fasten the engine to the cradle. The oil is likely leaking
>>? ? ? ? ? ? from the same
>>? ? ? ? ? ? location and some coming from the crankcase half joint and
>>? ? ? ? ? ? some getting out
>>? ? ? ? ? ? of the same leak an weeping out the screw hole. Did the
>>? ? ? ? ? ? bolts mounting the
>>? ? ? ? ? ? engine to the cradle work loose? Good luck sealing a leak
>>? ? ? ? ? ? externally after
>>? ? ? ? ? ? oil has gotten between the existing seal between the case
>>? ? ? ? ? ? and sealant. You
>>? ? ? ? ? ? might be able to reduce the leak by tightening the 1/4"
>>? ? ? ? ? ? machine screw and
>>? ? ? ? ? ? mounting bolts.
>>? ? ? ? ? ? These are my thoughts. I'm sure you will have some experts
>>? ? ? ? ? ? explain it
>>? ? ? ? ? ? better.
>>? ? ? ? ? ? Dan Sellers
>>? ? ? ? ? ? On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 5:47 PM William F. Dudley Jr. via DVNR <
>>? ? ? ? ? ? dvnr at casano.com <mailto:dvnr at casano.com>> wrote:
>>? ? ? ? ? ? > Hi,
>>? ? ? ? ? ? >
>>? ? ? ? ? ? > My 71 Commando is weeping oil out of the motor.
>>? ? ? ? ? ? >
>>? ? ? ? ? ? > There are two leaks.? One is the case joint between left and
>>? ? ? ? ? ? > right halves, aft of the oil drain/oil screen.
>>? ? ? ? ? ? >
>>? ? ? ? ? ? > The other one is from the screw around which I have drawn
>>? ? ? ? ? ? > a red circle in the attached photo.
>>? ? ? ? ? ? >
>>? ? ? ? ? ? > I don't want to disassemble the entire motorcycle for these
>>? ? ? ? ? ? > stupid leaks.? I can goober up the case on the seam with some
>>? ? ? ? ? ? > RTV and stop that leak, but the one at the screw is harder,
>>? ? ? ? ? ? > since the screw is hidden behind the engine mounting plate.
>>? ? ? ? ? ? > (I also have some more sophisticated means to seal that leak
>>? ? ? ? ? ? > on the seam.? So I may not end up goobering it up with RTV.)
>>? ? ? ? ? ? >
>>? ? ? ? ? ? > I thought that if I drilled a hole in the engine mounting
>>? ? ? ? ? ? plate,
>>? ? ? ? ? ? > right over that screw, then I could then sort out that leak
>>? ? ? ? ? ? > one way or another.
>>? ? ? ? ? ? >
>>? ? ? ? ? ? > Questions:
>>? ? ? ? ? ? >
>>? ? ? ? ? ? > 1. what does that screw do?? Does it just plug an oil way
>>? ? ? ? ? ? after
>>? ? ? ? ? ? > the factory drilled the oil way during manufacturing?
>>? ? ? ? ? ? >
>>? ? ? ? ? ? > 2. Does anyone have a Commando case not mounted in a
>>? ? ? ? ? ? motorcycle
>>? ? ? ? ? ? > from which they could measure 'X' and 'Y' as shown on my
>>? ? ? ? ? ? drawing?
>>? ? ? ? ? ? > That will help me locate where to drill.
>>? ? ? ? ? ? >
>>? ? ? ? ? ? > I plan on putting a stainless plate between the engine
>>? ? ? ? ? ? mounting
>>? ? ? ? ? ? > plate and the crankcase when I drill, so that I don't
>>? ? ? ? ? ? overshoot
>>? ? ? ? ? ? > and make a mess of the case.
>>? ? ? ? ? ? >
>>? ? ? ? ? ? > Thanks,
>>? ? ? ? ? ? > --
>>? ? ? ? ? ? > Bill Dudley
>>? ? ? ? ? ? > _______________________________________________
>>? ? ? ? ? ? > DVNR mailing list
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From dansellers45 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 25 20:51:11 2020
From: dansellers45 at gmail.com (Daniel Sellers)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 19:51:11 -0500
Subject: [dvnr] advise needed oil leak
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OK Bill,
Some of the respondents aren't going to like my advice but I think it is
best. (1) No locktight, it you need to get the screw out later you will
have a very hard time.  (2) don't over tighten that screw. The screw is one
with coarse Whitworth threads which are nearly identical to a 1/4-20 screw,
but its a higher strength then a grade 2 machine screw. It's coarse because
it is screwed into the facing aluminum case. Too much tightening will pull
the threads on the opposite case and maybe even pull the threads out. (3) I
don't have any objection to using sealant on the shank of the screw but the
screw and shank are below where the crankcase halves are sealed. At least
the oil won't come out of the recess for the screw. (4) Once you repair the
screw, the 3/8" mounting bolts will apply the force between the case
halves. (5) By the way, you did a great job of getting that hole right over
the screw.

Looking at the Norton torque specs for 1/4" screws into aluminum I see 60
to 80 inch pounds. That's like 5 to 7 ft lbs.  That doesn't seem like
impact driver force. But, what do I know?

Cheers
dano

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 5:58 PM Brian Safer via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com>
wrote:

>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: bsafr at aol.com
> To: SgtNorton at comcast.net, dud at casano.com
> Cc: dvnr at casano.com
> Bcc:
> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 22:57:56 +0000 (UTC)
> Subject: Re: [dvnr] advise needed oil leak
> I was wondering if Frank was gonna check in.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Mohr via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com>
> To: William F. Dudley Jr. <dud at casano.com>
> Cc: DVNR <dvnr at casano.com>
> Sent: Wed, Mar 25, 2020 6:55 pm
> Subject: Re: [dvnr] advise needed oil leak
>
> Could use both sealers however you still need the grunt. If you have a
> older style impact driver the kind you hit with a hammer I?d use that.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 25, 2020, at 5:44 PM, William F. Dudley Jr. via DVNR <
> dvnr at casano.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?Dan et al,
> >
> > Dan's measurements and my crude measurement technique (working on
> > the motor IN THE BIKE) were sufficient to get my pilot drill
> > close, and then by some drill bit abuse I was eventually able
> > to drill a .400 hole right over the leaky screw.  See attached
> > picture.
> >
> > I have successfully removed the screw (it was "tight-ish", but
> > certainly no struggle to remove).
> >
> > To re-assemble:
> >
> > 1. should I put lock-tite on the threads (after cleaning screw
> > and hole with brake cleaner) ?
> >
> > 2. should I put Yamabond on the shank of the screw near the head?
> >
> > 3. what torque should I apply to the screw?  Is there a number,
> > or is "big grunt with screwdriver" good enough?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bill Dudley
> >
> >> On 3/25/20 3:53 PM, Daniel Sellers wrote:
> >> OK Mr Dudley
> >> The dimensions for the screw hole on an 850 Commando that pertain to
> your dimension "X" and "Y" are:
> >> X = 1.885"
> >> Y=  2.44"
> >> Mind you I am measuring from two different planes but dimensions are
> taken from one plane. I compared the dimensions to a 750 Atlas and they are
> the same.
> >> Good Luck with the oil leak.
> >> Cheerio
> >> dan
> >> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:34 PM Daniel Sellers <dansellers45 at gmail.com
> <mailto:dansellers45 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>    OK Mr Dudley
> >>    On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 8:22 PM richard casey <saxmanrich at gmail.com
> >>    <mailto:saxmanrich at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>        I second what Mr Sellers has stated.
> >>        On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 7:03 PM Daniel Sellers via DVNR
> >>        <dvnr at casano.com <mailto:dvnr at casano.com>> wrote:
> >>            Bill
> >>            The screw circled in red is one of two machine screws that
> >>            fasten the left
> >>            and right crankcase halves together independent of the
> >>            larger bolts that
> >>            fasten the engine to the cradle. The oil is likely leaking
> >>            from the same
> >>            location and some coming from the crankcase half joint and
> >>            some getting out
> >>            of the same leak an weeping out the screw hole. Did the
> >>            bolts mounting the
> >>            engine to the cradle work loose? Good luck sealing a leak
> >>            externally after
> >>            oil has gotten between the existing seal between the case
> >>            and sealant. You
> >>            might be able to reduce the leak by tightening the 1/4"
> >>            machine screw and
> >>            mounting bolts.
> >>            These are my thoughts. I'm sure you will have some experts
> >>            explain it
> >>            better.
> >>            Dan Sellers
> >>            On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 5:47 PM William F. Dudley Jr. via
> DVNR <
> >>            dvnr at casano.com <mailto:dvnr at casano.com>> wrote:
> >>            > Hi,
> >>            >
> >>            > My 71 Commando is weeping oil out of the motor.
> >>            >
> >>            > There are two leaks.  One is the case joint between left
> and
> >>            > right halves, aft of the oil drain/oil screen.
> >>            >
> >>            > The other one is from the screw around which I have drawn
> >>            > a red circle in the attached photo.
> >>            >
> >>            > I don't want to disassemble the entire motorcycle for these
> >>            > stupid leaks.  I can goober up the case on the seam with
> some
> >>            > RTV and stop that leak, but the one at the screw is harder,
> >>            > since the screw is hidden behind the engine mounting plate.
> >>            > (I also have some more sophisticated means to seal that
> leak
> >>            > on the seam.  So I may not end up goobering it up with
> RTV.)
> >>            >
> >>            > I thought that if I drilled a hole in the engine mounting
> >>            plate,
> >>            > right over that screw, then I could then sort out that leak
> >>            > one way or another.
> >>            >
> >>            > Questions:
> >>            >
> >>            > 1. what does that screw do?  Does it just plug an oil way
> >>            after
> >>            > the factory drilled the oil way during manufacturing?
> >>            >
> >>            > 2. Does anyone have a Commando case not mounted in a
> >>            motorcycle
> >>            > from which they could measure 'X' and 'Y' as shown on my
> >>            drawing?
> >>            > That will help me locate where to drill.
> >>            >
> >>            > I plan on putting a stainless plate between the engine
> >>            mounting
> >>            > plate and the crankcase when I drill, so that I don't
> >>            overshoot
> >>            > and make a mess of the case.
> >>            >
> >>            > Thanks,
> >>            > --
> >>            > Bill Dudley
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From dud at casano.com  Wed Mar 25 21:02:46 2020
From: dud at casano.com (William F. Dudley Jr.)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 21:02:46 -0400
Subject: [dvnr] advise needed oil leak
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Dan, Brian, Frank,

Thank you all for your input.

I really liked Brian's idea of using a socket head screw.
I used a stainless steel 1/4-20 that's about a half inch
longer than the original screw.  Since the threaded hole
in the left half case goes all the way through, a longer
screw works fine.  It might even be stronger, if the threads
go further than just the length of the stock screw.

I didn't use an impact driver.  Since I used a socket head,
I could use an allen wrench.  I put a "big grunt" on that,
but I didn't use any torque amplifiers (i.e. cheater pipe).

I did use locktite -- gap filling, with hopes it would run down
into the case seam.  The socket head should make that easier
to unscrew in future (than had I used the stock screw).

I also used Yamabond on the shank.

Bill Dudley

On 3/25/20 8:51 PM, Daniel Sellers wrote:
> OK Bill,
> Some of the respondents aren't going to like my advice but I think it is 
> best. (1) No locktight, it you need to get the screw out later you will 
> have a very hard time.? (2) don't over tighten that screw. The screw is 
> one with coarse Whitworth threads which are nearly identical to a 1/4-20 
> screw, but its a higher strength then a grade 2 machine screw. It's 
> coarse because it is screwed into the facing aluminum case. Too much 
> tightening will pull the threads on the opposite case and maybe even 
> pull the threads out. (3) I don't have any objection to using sealant on 
> the shank of the screw but the screw and shank are below where the 
> crankcase halves are sealed. At least the oil won't come out of the 
> recess for the screw. (4) Once you repair the screw, the 3/8" mounting 
> bolts will apply the force between the case halves. (5) By the way, you 
> did a great job of getting that hole right over the screw.
> 
> Looking at the Norton torque specs for 1/4" screws into aluminum I see 
> 60 to 80 inch pounds. That's like 5 to 7 ft lbs.? That doesn't seem like 
> impact driver force. But, what do I know?
> 
> Cheers
> dano
> 
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 5:58 PM Brian Safer via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com 
> <mailto:dvnr at casano.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
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>     dud at casano.com <mailto:dud at casano.com>
>     Cc: dvnr at casano.com <mailto:dvnr at casano.com>
>     Bcc:
>     Date:?Wed, 25 Mar 2020 22:57:56 +0000 (UTC)
>     Subject:?Re: [dvnr] advise needed oil leak
>     I was wondering if Frank was gonna check in.
> 
> 
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: Frank Mohr via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com <mailto:dvnr at casano.com>>
>     To: William F. Dudley Jr. <dud at casano.com <mailto:dud at casano.com>>
>     Cc: DVNR <dvnr at casano.com <mailto:dvnr at casano.com>>
>     Sent: Wed, Mar 25, 2020 6:55 pm
>     Subject: Re: [dvnr] advise needed oil leak
> 
>     Could use both sealers however you still need the grunt. If you have
>     a older style impact driver the kind you hit with a hammer I?d use
>     that.
> 
>     Sent from my iPhone
> 
>      > On Mar 25, 2020, at 5:44 PM, William F. Dudley Jr. via DVNR
>     <dvnr at casano.com <mailto:dvnr at casano.com>> wrote:
>      >
>      > ?Dan et al,
>      >
>      > Dan's measurements and my crude measurement technique (working on
>      > the motor IN THE BIKE) were sufficient to get my pilot drill
>      > close, and then by some drill bit abuse I was eventually able
>      > to drill a .400 hole right over the leaky screw.? See attached
>      > picture.
>      >
>      > I have successfully removed the screw (it was "tight-ish", but
>      > certainly no struggle to remove).
>      >
>      > To re-assemble:
>      >
>      > 1. should I put lock-tite on the threads (after cleaning screw
>      > and hole with brake cleaner) ?
>      >
>      > 2. should I put Yamabond on the shank of the screw near the head?
>      >
>      > 3. what torque should I apply to the screw?? Is there a number,
>      > or is "big grunt with screwdriver" good enough?
>      >
>      > Thanks,
>      > Bill Dudley
>      >
>      >> On 3/25/20 3:53 PM, Daniel Sellers wrote:
>      >> OK Mr Dudley
>      >> The dimensions for the screw hole on an 850 Commando that
>     pertain to your dimension "X" and "Y" are:
>      >> X = 1.885"
>      >> Y=? 2.44"
>      >> Mind you I am measuring from two different planes but dimensions
>     are taken from one plane. I compared the dimensions to a 750 Atlas
>     and they are the same.
>      >> Good Luck with the oil leak.
>      >> Cheerio
>      >> dan
>      >> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:34 PM Daniel Sellers
>     <dansellers45 at gmail.com <mailto:dansellers45 at gmail.com>
>     <mailto:dansellers45 at gmail.com <mailto:dansellers45 at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>      >>? ? OK Mr Dudley
>      >>? ? On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 8:22 PM richard casey
>     <saxmanrich at gmail.com <mailto:saxmanrich at gmail.com>
>      >>? ? <mailto:saxmanrich at gmail.com <mailto:saxmanrich at gmail.com>>>
>     wrote:
>      >>? ? ? ? I second what Mr Sellers has stated.
>      >>? ? ? ? On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 7:03 PM Daniel Sellers via DVNR
>      >>? ? ? ? <dvnr at casano.com <mailto:dvnr at casano.com>
>     <mailto:dvnr at casano.com <mailto:dvnr at casano.com>>> wrote:
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? Bill
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? The screw circled in red is one of two machine screws
>     that
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? fasten the left
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? and right crankcase halves together independent of the
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? larger bolts that
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? fasten the engine to the cradle. The oil is likely
>     leaking
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? from the same
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? location and some coming from the crankcase half
>     joint and
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? some getting out
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? of the same leak an weeping out the screw hole. Did the
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? bolts mounting the
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? engine to the cradle work loose? Good luck sealing a leak
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? externally after
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? oil has gotten between the existing seal between the case
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? and sealant. You
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? might be able to reduce the leak by tightening the 1/4"
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? machine screw and
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? mounting bolts.
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? These are my thoughts. I'm sure you will have some
>     experts
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? explain it
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? better.
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? Dan Sellers
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 5:47 PM William F. Dudley Jr.
>     via DVNR <
>      >> dvnr at casano.com <mailto:dvnr at casano.com> <mailto:dvnr at casano.com
>     <mailto:dvnr at casano.com>>> wrote:
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? > Hi,
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? >
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? > My 71 Commando is weeping oil out of the motor.
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? >
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? > There are two leaks.? One is the case joint between
>     left and
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? > right halves, aft of the oil drain/oil screen.
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? >
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? > The other one is from the screw around which I have
>     drawn
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? > a red circle in the attached photo.
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? >
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? > I don't want to disassemble the entire motorcycle
>     for these
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? > stupid leaks.? I can goober up the case on the seam
>     with some
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? > RTV and stop that leak, but the one at the screw is
>     harder,
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? > since the screw is hidden behind the engine
>     mounting plate.
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? > (I also have some more sophisticated means to seal
>     that leak
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? > on the seam.? So I may not end up goobering it up
>     with RTV.)
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? >
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? > I thought that if I drilled a hole in the engine
>     mounting
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? plate,
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? > right over that screw, then I could then sort out
>     that leak
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? > one way or another.
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? >
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? > Questions:
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? >
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? > 1. what does that screw do?? Does it just plug an
>     oil way
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? after
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? > the factory drilled the oil way during manufacturing?
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? >
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? > 2. Does anyone have a Commando case not mounted in a
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? motorcycle
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? > from which they could measure 'X' and 'Y' as shown
>     on my
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? drawing?
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? > That will help me locate where to drill.
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? >
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? > I plan on putting a stainless plate between the engine
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? mounting
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? > plate and the crankcase when I drill, so that I don't
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? overshoot
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? > and make a mess of the case.
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? >
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? > Thanks,
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? > --
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? > Bill Dudley
>      >>? ? ? ? ? ? > _______________________________________________
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From beemer56bob at verizon.net  Thu Mar 26 07:12:52 2020
From: beemer56bob at verizon.net (bob Katz)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 11:12:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [dvnr] advise needed oil leak
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Green lock tite?I hope ? ??it?s reversible?

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 On?Wednesday, March 25, 2020,?William F. Dudley Jr. via DVNR?<dvnr at casano.com>?wrote:

Dan, Brian, Frank,

Thank you all for your input.

I really liked Brian's idea of using a socket head screw.
I used a stainless steel 1/4-20 that's about a half inch
longer than the original screw.? Since the threaded hole
in the left half case goes all the way through, a longer
screw works fine.? It might even be stronger, if the threads
go further than just the length of the stock screw.

I didn't use an impact driver.? Since I used a socket head,
I could use an allen wrench.? I put a "big grunt" on that,
but I didn't use any torque amplifiers (i.e. cheater pipe).

I did use locktite -- gap filling, with hopes it would run down
into the case seam.? The socket head should make that easier
to unscrew in future (than had I used the stock screw).

I also used Yamabond on the shank.

Bill Dudley

On 3/25/20 8:51 PM, Daniel Sellers wrote:
> OK Bill,
> Some of the respondents aren't going to like my advice but I think it is 
> best. (1) No locktight, it you need to get the screw out later you will 
> have a very hard time.? (2) don't over tighten that screw. The screw is 
> one with coarse Whitworth threads which are nearly identical to a 1/4-20 
> screw, but its a higher strength then a grade 2 machine screw. It's 
> coarse because it is screwed into the facing aluminum case. Too much 
> tightening will pull the threads on the opposite case and maybe even 
> pull the threads out. (3) I don't have any objection to using sealant on 
> the shank of the screw but the screw and shank are below where the 
> crankcase halves are sealed. At least the oil won't come out of the 
> recess for the screw. (4) Once you repair the screw, the 3/8" mounting 
> bolts will apply the force between the case halves. (5) By the way, you 
> did a great job of getting that hole right over the screw.
> 
> Looking at the Norton torque specs for 1/4" screws into aluminum I see 
> 60 to 80 inch pounds. That's like 5 to 7 ft lbs.? That doesn't seem like 
> impact driver force. But, what do I know?
> 
> Cheers
> dano
> 
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 5:58 PM Brian Safer via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com 
> <mailto:dvnr at casano.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
>? ? ---------- Forwarded message ----------
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>? ? dud at casano.com <mailto:dud at casano.com>
>? ? Cc: dvnr at casano.com <mailto:dvnr at casano.com>
>? ? Bcc:
>? ? Date:?Wed, 25 Mar 2020 22:57:56 +0000 (UTC)
>? ? Subject:?Re: [dvnr] advise needed oil leak
>? ? I was wondering if Frank was gonna check in.
> 
> 
>? ? -----Original Message-----
>? ? From: Frank Mohr via DVNR <dvnr at casano.com <mailto:dvnr at casano.com>>
>? ? To: William F. Dudley Jr. <dud at casano.com <mailto:dud at casano.com>>
>? ? Cc: DVNR <dvnr at casano.com <mailto:dvnr at casano.com>>
>? ? Sent: Wed, Mar 25, 2020 6:55 pm
>? ? Subject: Re: [dvnr] advise needed oil leak
> 
>? ? Could use both sealers however you still need the grunt. If you have
>? ? a older style impact driver the kind you hit with a hammer I?d use
>? ? that.
> 
>? ? Sent from my iPhone
> 
>? ? ? > On Mar 25, 2020, at 5:44 PM, William F. Dudley Jr. via DVNR
>? ? <dvnr at casano.com <mailto:dvnr at casano.com>> wrote:
>? ? ? >
>? ? ? > ?Dan et al,
>? ? ? >
>? ? ? > Dan's measurements and my crude measurement technique (working on
>? ? ? > the motor IN THE BIKE) were sufficient to get my pilot drill
>? ? ? > close, and then by some drill bit abuse I was eventually able
>? ? ? > to drill a .400 hole right over the leaky screw.? See attached
>? ? ? > picture.
>? ? ? >
>? ? ? > I have successfully removed the screw (it was "tight-ish", but
>? ? ? > certainly no struggle to remove).
>? ? ? >
>? ? ? > To re-assemble:
>? ? ? >
>? ? ? > 1. should I put lock-tite on the threads (after cleaning screw
>? ? ? > and hole with brake cleaner) ?
>? ? ? >
>? ? ? > 2. should I put Yamabond on the shank of the screw near the head?
>? ? ? >
>? ? ? > 3. what torque should I apply to the screw?? Is there a number,
>? ? ? > or is "big grunt with screwdriver" good enough?
>? ? ? >
>? ? ? > Thanks,
>? ? ? > Bill Dudley
>? ? ? >
>? ? ? >> On 3/25/20 3:53 PM, Daniel Sellers wrote:
>? ? ? >> OK Mr Dudley
>? ? ? >> The dimensions for the screw hole on an 850 Commando that
>? ? pertain to your dimension "X" and "Y" are:
>? ? ? >> X = 1.885"
>? ? ? >> Y=? 2.44"
>? ? ? >> Mind you I am measuring from two different planes but dimensions
>? ? are taken from one plane. I compared the dimensions to a 750 Atlas
>? ? and they are the same.
>? ? ? >> Good Luck with the oil leak.
>? ? ? >> Cheerio
>? ? ? >> dan
>? ? ? >> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:34 PM Daniel Sellers
>? ? <dansellers45 at gmail.com <mailto:dansellers45 at gmail.com>
>? ? <mailto:dansellers45 at gmail.com <mailto:dansellers45 at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>? ? ? >>? ? OK Mr Dudley
>? ? ? >>? ? On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 8:22 PM richard casey
>? ? <saxmanrich at gmail.com <mailto:saxmanrich at gmail.com>
>? ? ? >>? ? <mailto:saxmanrich at gmail.com <mailto:saxmanrich at gmail.com>>>
>? ? wrote:
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? I second what Mr Sellers has stated.
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 7:03 PM Daniel Sellers via DVNR
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? <dvnr at casano.com <mailto:dvnr at casano.com>
>? ? <mailto:dvnr at casano.com <mailto:dvnr at casano.com>>> wrote:
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? Bill
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? The screw circled in red is one of two machine screws
>? ? that
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? fasten the left
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? and right crankcase halves together independent of the
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? larger bolts that
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? fasten the engine to the cradle. The oil is likely
>? ? leaking
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? from the same
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? location and some coming from the crankcase half
>? ? joint and
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? some getting out
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? of the same leak an weeping out the screw hole. Did the
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? bolts mounting the
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? engine to the cradle work loose? Good luck sealing a leak
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? externally after
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? oil has gotten between the existing seal between the case
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? and sealant. You
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? might be able to reduce the leak by tightening the 1/4"
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? machine screw and
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? mounting bolts.
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? These are my thoughts. I'm sure you will have some
>? ? experts
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? explain it
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? better.
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? Dan Sellers
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 5:47 PM William F. Dudley Jr.
>? ? via DVNR <
>? ? ? >> dvnr at casano.com <mailto:dvnr at casano.com> <mailto:dvnr at casano.com
>? ? <mailto:dvnr at casano.com>>> wrote:
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? > Hi,
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? >
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? > My 71 Commando is weeping oil out of the motor.
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? >
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? > There are two leaks.? One is the case joint between
>? ? left and
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? > right halves, aft of the oil drain/oil screen.
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? >
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? > The other one is from the screw around which I have
>? ? drawn
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? > a red circle in the attached photo.
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? >
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? > I don't want to disassemble the entire motorcycle
>? ? for these
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? > stupid leaks.? I can goober up the case on the seam
>? ? with some
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? > RTV and stop that leak, but the one at the screw is
>? ? harder,
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? > since the screw is hidden behind the engine
>? ? mounting plate.
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? > (I also have some more sophisticated means to seal
>? ? that leak
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? > on the seam.? So I may not end up goobering it up
>? ? with RTV.)
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? >
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? > I thought that if I drilled a hole in the engine
>? ? mounting
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? plate,
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? > right over that screw, then I could then sort out
>? ? that leak
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? > one way or another.
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? >
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? > Questions:
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? >
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? > 1. what does that screw do?? Does it just plug an
>? ? oil way
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? after
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? > the factory drilled the oil way during manufacturing?
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? >
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? > 2. Does anyone have a Commando case not mounted in a
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? motorcycle
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? > from which they could measure 'X' and 'Y' as shown
>? ? on my
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? drawing?
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? > That will help me locate where to drill.
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? >
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? > I plan on putting a stainless plate between the engine
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? mounting
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? > plate and the crankcase when I drill, so that I don't
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? overshoot
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? > and make a mess of the case.
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? >
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? > Thanks,
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? > --
>? ? ? >>? ? ? ? ? ? > Bill Dudley
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From dud at casano.com  Thu Mar 26 09:14:05 2020
From: dud at casano.com (William F. Dudley Jr.)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 09:14:05 -0400
Subject: [dvnr] advise needed oil leak
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yes, green.

Bill Dudley


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Sent: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 11:12:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [dvnr] advise needed oil leak


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From beemer56bob at verizon.net  Thu Mar 26 20:54:25 2020
From: beemer56bob at verizon.net (bob Katz)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 00:54:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Inoa rally
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Unfortunately the rally in New York is cancelled refunds will be sent back shortly ?I saw it on Facebook from Gerald bolduc bummer


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From dsellerspa at verizon.net  Fri Mar 27 07:16:32 2020
From: dsellerspa at verizon.net (Daniel Sellers)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 11:16:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: 2020 INOA Rip Van Norton Rally
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Many of our members may already know by now that the 2020 INOA Rally scheduled for July has been canceled. Most of us were holding our breath to see if it could go on. Now it seems like the May British and Euro Rally in Md has been canceled, Triumph National is still on but the promoters are asking that you not send registration until after May 1 in the event of a cancellation. Mid Ohio has not mentioned cancellation yet and they are scheduled for July 10 to 12. Nations Capital Norton Owners are holding an ON LINE meeting for its members this Sunday. We will see what they decide about their Rolling Thunder. Since most of us are in the "high risk" group it is probably best that the organizers of these events consider safety, especially in light of the recent rise in the number of active cases and the number of deaths here in the Delaware Valley.

Cheerio
Dan Sellers
DVNR Treasurer

This is the statement from the INOA regarding the New York Rally.


 After several weeks of conversations, evaluations and speculations, The Tri State Norton Riders decided during a meeting with members, to cancel the 2020 Rip Van Norton Rally this July. ? This was a very difficult decision but with the Covid 19 pandemic centered in New York city and state at this time, the Chapter felt they had to do this for public safety along with unknown factors that are still to come. ? A valid reason Chuck presented to me was that with several months off from work etc., who may have that extra money to spend on a rally. My own reason to cancel is that these members are going to be under extra stress getting through their own virus worries and how can we give them more, not able to meet, deal with details and guarantee this would still actually happen. ? The INOA Board unanimously backs their decision. Chapters are awarded the hosting privilege which means they are in charge of many things according to the contract signed by both entities. ? This does not mean the party has to end. We are full on for the 2021 rally in Lumby, B.C. Canada next July hosted by the Okanagan Chapter of West Coast British Motorcycle Owners of Canada. ? Tri State Norton Riders have now put in a bid for the 2022 rally and without another solid offer at this time we shall work to make that happen.  ? What to do this July???? Should conditions allow, have a regional rally, a mini rally, a personal rally! Invite everyone in your area to join you for a campout, a group ride, a pot luck dinner, etc.  ? Send your plans to Barry at nortonnewseditor at inoanorton.com for publication in the Norton News. Afterwards, we will still have a rally issue with your photos, and how you Kept Calm and Rallied On.  ? I am personally inviting anyone who can to come to my home to camp overnight, pot luck dinner, bonfire and a ride around my area on a date to be determined during our traditional rally week. ? Thank you all ? you are treasured and necessary which is why these measures are being taken. ? Suzi Greenway, President International Norton Owners Association 

From beemer56bob at verizon.net  Sun Mar 29 07:54:05 2020
From: beemer56bob at verizon.net (Bob Katz)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 07:54:05 -0400
Subject: Riding not banned
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