From robertnorum1953 at gmail.com Thu Feb 6 09:03:48 2020 From: robertnorum1953 at gmail.com (robertnorum1953 at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 09:03:48 -0500 Subject: [dvnr] BBC News: Norton Motorcycles goes into administration In-Reply-To: References: <8CD43425-56AE-4863-8C5A-DDF70AD86F14@gmail.com> Message-ID: <025801d5dcf6$40f08df0$c2d1a9d0$@gmail.com> The Scandalous Demise of NORTON Motorcycles ! WHAT HAPPENED? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ryb8qoIdWM 300,000 Pound tax bill? Just the tip of the iceberg according to this video. Gardner and company has accrued over 65,000,000 Pounds in financial obligations - apparently half that amount are deposits paid by eager customers - some having paid in full for future delivery. Poor Norton - over 100 years of exciting motorcycle products with a checkered history of financial mis-management. Cheers! -----Original Message----- From: DVNR On Behalf Of Richard Colahan via DVNR Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 9:12 AM To: Ken Kopec ; DVNR email list Subject: Re: [dvnr] BBC News: Norton Motorcycles goes into administration Thanks Ken Perhaps a basis for a future business school case study: Mr. Bloor's success with Triumph vs. Mr. Garner's struggle with Norton. Maybe "not dead yet!!" We'll see... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Kopec via DVNR" To: "DVNR email list" Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 6:07 AM Subject: [dvnr] BBC News: Norton Motorcycles goes into administration > > Norton Motorcycles goes into administration > The famous British motorbike brand was reportedly struggling to pay a > ?300,000 tax bill. > > Read in BBC News: https://apple.news/AUTtAOxlIRSyDUDlF6dHguw > > > Shared from Apple News > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > DVNR mailing list > DVNR at casano.com > https://mailman.dudley.nu/mailman/listinfo/dvnr > UNSUBSCRIBE: mail to DVNR-unsubscribe at casano.com > _______________________________________________ DVNR mailing list DVNR at casano.com https://mailman.dudley.nu/mailman/listinfo/dvnr UNSUBSCRIBE: mail to DVNR-unsubscribe at casano.com From G_ROETENBERG at msn.com Sat Feb 8 14:09:21 2020 From: G_ROETENBERG at msn.com (GEORGE) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 19:09:21 +0000 Subject: [dvnr] Febuary Meeting and of course t-shirt talk Message-ID: Todd Robertson has agreed to host the Feb 16, 2020, 11AM meeting at his home at 22 Buckley Hill Dr. Phillipsburg, NJ 08865. Todd better have some chili on the stove. The flyer is posted for the Gathering for April 26th 2020 at dvnr.org. We have 2 medium, 38 Large, 12 XL, and 15 2XL DVNR shirts and still two boxes of leftover Art of the Bike Shirts. That is a total of 67 DVNR shirts. We probably only need 50-70 more which is a small order. Think about design this years Gathering T-shirt for discussion. Steve D is our t-shirt expert so we can review ordering options. Other upcoming motorcycle events: Neshaminy ACMA Sunday, Feb. 9, 2020 - Annual Swap meet at the Newportville Firehouse. 8:00 AM - 2:00 PM. Sometimes a british part is there. Lehigh Valley Motor Expo at Ag Hall in Allentown PA on Feb 15 and 16. facebook.com/events/2915895205087350/ The Martin Moto Modern Classics is March 7th. Always a good show. https://www.modernclassicsbikeshow.com/ From jmat1957 at gmail.com Sun Feb 9 13:09:44 2020 From: jmat1957 at gmail.com (Joe Matkowski) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2020 13:09:44 -0500 Subject: [dvnr] Febuary Meeting and of course t-shirt talk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I took a ride after breakfast today with my wife, popped in the swap meet in Newportsville. 95% Harley stuff. I grabbed an R69S last fall to restore. Thought there might a chance of some Beemer stuff there. Not even close. On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 2:10 PM GEORGE via DVNR wrote: > Todd Robertson has agreed to host the Feb 16, 2020, 11AM meeting at his > home at 22 Buckley Hill Dr. Phillipsburg, NJ 08865 > . > Todd better have some chili on the stove. > > The flyer is posted for the Gathering for April 26th 2020 at dvnr.org. > > We have 2 medium, 38 Large, 12 XL, and 15 2XL DVNR shirts and still two > boxes of leftover Art of the Bike Shirts. That is a total of 67 DVNR > shirts. We probably only need 50-70 more which is a small order. Think > about design this years Gathering T-shirt for discussion. Steve D is our > t-shirt expert so we can review ordering options. > > Other upcoming motorcycle events: > > Neshaminy ACMA Sunday, Feb. 9, 2020 - Annual Swap meet at the Newportville > Firehouse. 8:00 AM - 2:00 PM. Sometimes a british part is there. > > Lehigh Valley Motor Expo at Ag Hall in Allentown PA on Feb 15 and 16. > facebook.com/events/2915895205087350/< > http://facebook.com/events/2915895205087350/> > > The Martin Moto Modern Classics is March 7th. Always a good show. > https://www.modernclassicsbikeshow.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > DVNR mailing list > DVNR at casano.com > https://mailman.dudley.nu/mailman/listinfo/dvnr > UNSUBSCRIBE: mail to DVNR-unsubscribe at casano.com > From thelyonsden at yahoo.com Mon Feb 17 17:20:23 2020 From: thelyonsden at yahoo.com (John Lyons) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 22:20:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Mechanic Help References: <1682845800.3072972.1581978023841.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1682845800.3072972.1581978023841@mail.yahoo.com> Hi- 1968 Norton Mercury 650 Located in central NJ and looking for help in getting my Norton on the road. Spent some serious bucks at Classic Cycles getting bike serviced (rebuilt including machined, crank, bearings, valves, cam, piston, etc) but never ran right and rode.?I?can probably situate a trailer to travel to travel. Frustrating but want to get her road worthy this spring. 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Name: ATT00001.htm URL: From kopecke1 at gmail.com Tue Feb 18 06:35:06 2020 From: kopecke1 at gmail.com (Ken Kopec) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 06:35:06 -0500 Subject: [dvnr] =?utf-8?q?Norton_=E2=80=93_Was_it_a_fraud_from_the_start?= =?utf-8?q?=3F_=7C_Superbike_Magazine?= Message-ID: Good read. https://www.superbike.co.uk/article/norton-was-it-a-fraud-from-the-start Sent from my iPhone From dsellerspa at verizon.net Tue Feb 18 15:44:34 2020 From: dsellerspa at verizon.net (Daniel Sellers) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 20:44:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [dvnr] Mechanic Help In-Reply-To: <1589940295.3297610.1582037921521@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1682845800.3072972.1581978023841.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1612082151.4545447.1582033736562@mail.yahoo.com> <1589940295.3297610.1582037921521@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2066286023.4780931.1582058674214@mail.yahoo.com> Jack Lyons Actually many of our members like to hear about your problems as they learn from your misery. Some, I might admit, may also chuckle uncontrollably and be glad that YOU are having the problem and not THEY! Well if it ran before it will run again. From what I read I would start with the carburetors. When you over tighten the mounting flange you warp the base and distort the bore in the throttle body making the slide hang up just as you observed. Loosening will relieve some of the bore distortion but it remains out of shape (round). The EXPERTS who think they know it all believe you can remove the warp of the base of the carb by sanding it on a glass plate. While this will flatten the mounting surface it will not fix the distortion of the throttle body bore. Air leaking around the carburetor base and leaking around the throttle slide will reduce the vacuum when you are starting (and running at idle) to the point that the engine won't pull the fuel from the bowl. Engine won't start and if and when it does start it is too lean to remain running. Having the choke slides removed exacerbates the problem even more. Without studying the Mercury parts manual in detail, I don't know what parts are used to attach the carbs. I know that the Triumph Amal Concentric carbs of the same era use a hard heat spacer against the engine and use the "O" ring in the carburetor groove against the spacer. To reduce the over tightening of the nuts there is a shouldered stud and combination of steel and rubber washers to fasten the carburetor. We have a member who is somewhat of an expert at getting the carb body bores back into shape but he works on motorcycles for a living and doesn't do charity work. If the carbs are the only problem then perhaps new bodies would be the easy way out. But of course, how can you be sure that's the problem until you fix it. Dan Sellers -----Original Message----- From: John Lyons To: Daniel Sellers Sent: Tue, Feb 18, 2020 9:58 am Subject: Re: [dvnr] Mechanic Help Hi Dan- Thank you very much for reaching out. I did not want to drone on about the bike in the general forum and bore folks to death.? Bike brought in the shop with the same complaint and wanted it to be gone over to remedy the problem and also fix anything else that needed attention. Motor rebuilt on 9/2017 and bike ran? (better) but tough to start and would stall out when coming to a stop. I think I was able to ride it around the block on a few occasions (maybe 2 or 3 times) with the latest this past June 2019. Coincidently i had it started and noticed my throttle cable was stretched to the point and needed to be replaced. I received several cables from a Norton parts company in CA and i believe finally I have the right size installed (travel of the throttle valve (slide) in the body). One odd thing that I can not figure out is when I tighten the carb mounting nuts down to tight the cable gets bound or xxx throttle valve caught up in the body due to distortion and will not move. I have to back off a bit on the nuts. It seems tight but wondering if gaskets is making a proper seal. Since this point the bike will not kick over and only backfires on occasion.? The ticklers work but as far as the rest of your questions such as?Ignition and timing, I am a frustrated mechanic (always have been) despite being a hands on guy with tons of things - construction, plumbing, electrical but mechanics was never my strong skill for me. Any tips or help is very appreciated.? Regards, Jack+1.908.672.7328 Bike ran but never started?? On Tuesday, February 18, 2020, 08:49:00 AM EST, Daniel Sellers wrote: Jack Lyons Why not give us some more information. The Mercury looks like an excellent restoration and I wonder why you restorer didn't make it run right. So what is the problem. I presume it turns over easily and has compression (at least 120psi). That leaves only three other necessary functions. Ignition, timing and carburetors. Does it have spark? The ignition is VIA magneto? Is the magneto original or rebuilt? Has it ever run since you got it back? Do the carburetors have choke slides in them? Do the ticklers work? Have you reviewed your start procedure with another British Bike owner? Answers to these questions tell us where you need to start. Let us know Dan Sellers DVNR Treasurer -----Original Message----- From: John Lyons via DVNR To: Bob Katz via DVNR Sent: Mon, Feb 17, 2020 5:22 pm Subject: [dvnr] Mechanic Help Hi- 1968 Norton Mercury 650 Located in central NJ and looking for help in getting my Norton on the road. Spent some serious bucks at Classic Cycles getting bike serviced (rebuilt including machined, crank, bearings, valves, cam, piston, etc) but never ran right and rode.?I?can probably situate a trailer to travel to travel. Frustrating but want to get her road worthy this spring. Regards, Jack Lyons Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone_______________________________________________ DVNR mailing list DVNR at casano.com https://mailman.dudley.nu/mailman/listinfo/dvnr UNSUBSCRIBE: mail to DVNR-unsubscribe at casano.com From thelyonsden at yahoo.com Tue Feb 18 18:28:30 2020 From: thelyonsden at yahoo.com (John Lyons) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 23:28:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [dvnr] Mechanic Help In-Reply-To: <2066286023.4780931.1582058674214@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1682845800.3072972.1581978023841.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1612082151.4545447.1582033736562@mail.yahoo.com> <1589940295.3297610.1582037921521@mail.yahoo.com> <2066286023.4780931.1582058674214@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <884267030.3516172.1582068510334@mail.yahoo.com> Dan- Can't thank you enough and the carb warp seems right on the button. I was not aware that this was an issue and was driving me nuts every time I tightened up the nuts too much. Not that I want to spend the $$ but maybe best solution is to just to buy a new carb or bring to mechanic (member). I rather fix this so at least I could ride it (and even show up at a club meeting) vs. looking at it sit in the garage. Do you have the member's contact info? Thanks again, Jack On Tuesday, February 18, 2020, 03:44:38 PM EST, Daniel Sellers wrote: Jack Lyons Actually many of our members like to hear about your problems as they learn from your misery. Some, I might admit, may also chuckle uncontrollably and be glad that YOU are having the problem and not THEY! Well if it ran before it will run again. From what I read I would start with the carburetors. When you over tighten the mounting flange you warp the base and distort the bore in the throttle body making the slide hang up just as you observed. Loosening will relieve some of the bore distortion but it remains out of shape (round). The EXPERTS who think they know it all believe you can remove the warp of the base of the carb by sanding it on a glass plate. While this will flatten the mounting surface it will not fix the distortion of the throttle body bore. Air leaking around the carburetor base and leaking around the throttle slide will reduce the vacuum when you are starting (and running at idle) to the point that the engine won't pull the fuel from the bowl. Engine won't start and if and when it does start it is too lean to remain running. Having the choke slides removed exacerbates the problem even more. Without studying the Mercury parts manual in detail, I don't know what parts are used to attach the carbs. I know that the Triumph Amal Concentric carbs of the same era use a hard heat spacer against the engine and use the "O" ring in the carburetor groove against the spacer. To reduce the over tightening of the nuts there is a shouldered stud and combination of steel and rubber washers to fasten the carburetor. We have a member who is somewhat of an expert at getting the carb body bores back into shape but he works on motorcycles for a living and doesn't do charity work. If the carbs are the only problem then perhaps new bodies would be the easy way out. But of course, how can you be sure that's the problem until you fix it. Dan Sellers -----Original Message----- From: John Lyons To: Daniel Sellers Sent: Tue, Feb 18, 2020 9:58 am Subject: Re: [dvnr] Mechanic Help Hi Dan- Thank you very much for reaching out. I did not want to drone on about the bike in the general forum and bore folks to death.? Bike brought in the shop with the same complaint and wanted it to be gone over to remedy the problem and also fix anything else that needed attention. Motor rebuilt on 9/2017 and bike ran? (better) but tough to start and would stall out when coming to a stop. I think I was able to ride it around the block on a few occasions (maybe 2 or 3 times) with the latest this past June 2019. Coincidently i had it started and noticed my throttle cable was stretched to the point and needed to be replaced. I received several cables from a Norton parts company in CA and i believe finally I have the right size installed (travel of the throttle valve (slide) in the body). One odd thing that I can not figure out is when I tighten the carb mounting nuts down to tight the cable gets bound or xxx throttle valve caught up in the body due to distortion and will not move. I have to back off a bit on the nuts. It seems tight but wondering if gaskets is making a proper seal. Since this point the bike will not kick over and only backfires on occasion.? The ticklers work but as far as the rest of your questions such as?Ignition and timing, I am a frustrated mechanic (always have been) despite being a hands on guy with tons of things - construction, plumbing, electrical but mechanics was never my strong skill for me. Any tips or help is very appreciated.? Regards, Jack+1.908.672.7328 Bike ran but never started?? On Tuesday, February 18, 2020, 08:49:00 AM EST, Daniel Sellers wrote: Jack Lyons Why not give us some more information. The Mercury looks like an excellent restoration and I wonder why you restorer didn't make it run right. So what is the problem. I presume it turns over easily and has compression (at least 120psi). That leaves only three other necessary functions. Ignition, timing and carburetors. Does it have spark? The ignition is VIA magneto? Is the magneto original or rebuilt? Has it ever run since you got it back? Do the carburetors have choke slides in them? Do the ticklers work? Have you reviewed your start procedure with another British Bike owner? Answers to these questions tell us where you need to start. Let us know Dan Sellers DVNR Treasurer -----Original Message----- From: John Lyons via DVNR To: Bob Katz via DVNR Sent: Mon, Feb 17, 2020 5:22 pm Subject: [dvnr] Mechanic Help Hi- 1968 Norton Mercury 650 Located in central NJ and looking for help in getting my Norton on the road. Spent some serious bucks at Classic Cycles getting bike serviced (rebuilt including machined, crank, bearings, valves, cam, piston, etc) but never ran right and rode.?I?can probably situate a trailer to travel to travel. Frustrating but want to get her road worthy this spring. Regards, Jack Lyons Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone_______________________________________________ DVNR mailing list DVNR at casano.com https://mailman.dudley.nu/mailman/listinfo/dvnr UNSUBSCRIBE: mail to DVNR-unsubscribe at casano.com From trob10 at verizon.net Wed Feb 19 15:04:36 2020 From: trob10 at verizon.net (Revere Robertson) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 20:04:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [dvnr] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: <1664219307.10204372.1579687262215.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <21370692.5322175.1582142676136@mail.yahoo.com> Looks like I'm going to be staying in the package C rate at the rally....There are four single begs in the room...wonder if there's a bathroom lol..... ? Todd -----Original Message----- From: bob Katz via DVNR To: jmat1957 Cc: dvnr Sent: Wed, Jan 22, 2020 5:02 am Subject: Re: [dvnr] (no subject) Nice Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Tuesday, January 21, 2020,?Joe Matkowski??wrote: On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 6:18 PM pa.guitars via DVNR wrote: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From:?"pa.guitars" To:?Bob Katz Cc:?dvnr at casano.com Bcc:? Date:?Tue, 21 Jan 2020 18:18:15 -0500 Subject:?Re: I?m afraid you have come down with Mohr?s Syndrome. Highly contagious and marked by a tendency to bring home stray Nortons. I?m afraid there is no known cure. Good luck Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 21, 2020, at 5:40 PM, Bob Katz wrote: > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From:?"pa.guitars via DVNR" To:?Bob Katz Cc:?dvnr at casano.com Bcc:? Date:?Tue, 21 Jan 2020 18:18:15 -0500 Subject:?Re: [dvnr] (no subject) _______________________________________________ DVNR mailing list DVNR at casano.com https://mailman.dudley.nu/mailman/listinfo/dvnr UNSUBSCRIBE: mail to DVNR-unsubscribe at casano.com _______________________________________________ DVNR mailing list DVNR at casano.com https://mailman.dudley.nu/mailman/listinfo/dvnr UNSUBSCRIBE: mail to DVNR-unsubscribe at casano.com From davidebehnken at gmail.com Wed Feb 19 16:35:09 2020 From: davidebehnken at gmail.com (David Behnken) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 16:35:09 -0500 Subject: [dvnr] =?utf-8?q?Norton_=E2=80=93_Was_it_a_fraud_from_the_start?= =?utf-8?q?=3F_=7C_Superbike_Magazine?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The latest on Stuart Garner and the mess he's made: https://advrider.com/norton-ceo-fails-to-appear-at-hearing/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_content=02_19_2020 On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 6:35 AM Ken Kopec via DVNR wrote: > Good read. > https://www.superbike.co.uk/article/norton-was-it-a-fraud-from-the-start > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > DVNR mailing list > DVNR at casano.com > https://mailman.dudley.nu/mailman/listinfo/dvnr > UNSUBSCRIBE: mail to DVNR-unsubscribe at casano.com > From kopecke1 at gmail.com Wed Feb 19 19:35:29 2020 From: kopecke1 at gmail.com (Ken Kopec) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 19:35:29 -0500 Subject: [dvnr] From Russia With Love | The Vintagent Message-ID: <720A3A2B-D6F9-44F5-9E92-EF3B80DA7444@gmail.com> Another interesting story https://thevintagent.com/2020/02/19/from-russia-with-love/ Sent from my iPhone From dansellers45 at gmail.com Wed Feb 19 20:05:35 2020 From: dansellers45 at gmail.com (Daniel Sellers) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 20:05:35 -0500 Subject: [dvnr] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: <1664219307.10204372.1579687262215.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Todd Well, at least you'll eat well during your stay. dan On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 3:05 PM Revere Robertson via DVNR wrote: > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Revere Robertson > To: beemer56bob at verizon.net, jmat1957 at gmail.com > Cc: dvnr at casano.com > Bcc: > Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 20:04:36 +0000 (UTC) > Subject: Re: [dvnr] (no subject) > Looks like I'm going to be staying in the package C rate at the > rally....There are four single begs in the room...wonder if there's a > bathroom lol..... > Todd > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bob Katz via DVNR > To: jmat1957 > Cc: dvnr > Sent: Wed, Jan 22, 2020 5:02 am > Subject: Re: [dvnr] (no subject) > > Nice > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > On Tuesday, January 21, 2020, Joe Matkowski wrote: > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 6:18 PM pa.guitars via DVNR > wrote: > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "pa.guitars" > To: Bob Katz > Cc: dvnr at casano.com > Bcc: > Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2020 18:18:15 -0500 > Subject: Re: > I?m afraid you have come down with Mohr?s Syndrome. Highly contagious and > marked by a tendency to bring home stray Nortons. I?m afraid there is no > known cure. > > Good luck > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 21, 2020, at 5:40 PM, Bob Katz wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "pa.guitars via DVNR" > To: Bob Katz > Cc: dvnr at casano.com > Bcc: > Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2020 18:18:15 -0500 > Subject: Re: [dvnr] (no subject) > _______________________________________________ > DVNR mailing list > DVNR at casano.com > https://mailman.dudley.nu/mailman/listinfo/dvnr > UNSUBSCRIBE: mail to DVNR-unsubscribe at casano.com > > > _______________________________________________ > DVNR mailing list > DVNR at casano.com > https://mailman.dudley.nu/mailman/listinfo/dvnr > UNSUBSCRIBE: mail to DVNR-unsubscribe at casano.com > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Revere Robertson via DVNR > To: beemer56bob at verizon.net, jmat1957 at gmail.com > Cc: dvnr at casano.com > Bcc: > Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 20:04:36 +0000 (UTC) > Subject: Re: [dvnr] (no subject) > _______________________________________________ > DVNR mailing list > DVNR at casano.com > https://mailman.dudley.nu/mailman/listinfo/dvnr > UNSUBSCRIBE: mail to DVNR-unsubscribe at casano.com > From rcolahan at epix.net Thu Feb 20 09:40:41 2020 From: rcolahan at epix.net (Richard Colahan) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 09:40:41 -0500 Subject: [dvnr] Kenny Dreer? In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: A few questions... > Do any DVNR members (or friends) have one of the Garner Nortons? If > so...how are they? Did they ever get the various bugs worked out? Are they worth the premium price? A Utah friend (Bob Jones) bought one but I have not t/w Bob in quite a while...and now I'm afraid to ask! Just wondering if the "product" itself is worth saving... > Not sure how else to ask...but does anyone know if Kenny Dreer is still > "around"? If so...I can't help but wonder what he thinks of all this mess... https://www.cycleworld.com/american-era-of-norton-motorcycles-and-kenny-dreer-contributions/ -R.C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Behnken via DVNR" To: "Ken Kopec" Cc: "DVNR email list" Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [dvnr] Norton - Was it a fraud from the start? | Superbike Magazine > The latest on Stuart Garner and the mess he's made: > > https://advrider.com/norton-ceo-fails-to-appear-at-hearing/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_content=02_19_2020 > > > > > On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 6:35 AM Ken Kopec via DVNR > wrote: > >> Good read. >> https://www.superbike.co.uk/article/norton-was-it-a-fraud-from-the-start >> >> >> From rcolahan at epix.net Tue Feb 25 13:14:47 2020 From: rcolahan at epix.net (Richard Colahan) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 13:14:47 -0500 Subject: [dvnr] Garner Nortons Message-ID: <6988C707A06748E7AA3B0A46CF95A4DF@OwnerPC> DVNR's... So...my new copy of Motorcycle Classics shows up on Friday...and there's an enthusiastic review by Alan Cathcart of the pre-production Norton Atlas Nomad (standard) and Ranger (scrambler) 650 twins. He begins the article: "Norton's decade-long ride down the comeback trail under the ownership of Stuart Garner is now reaching fruition." Not sure if administration (aka UK bankruptcy...) and potential liquidation...not to mention criminal charges...was the "fruition" that Mr Cathcart was referring to. But in his defense he indicates in the article that it was written in late fall 2019...before the first shoe dropped. But he liked the bikes! UK engineering combined with Chinese (Zongshen) engine component manufacture. A bit pricy though...nothing to compete with a quite functional and enjoyable RE at their price point...or a Hinkley Triumph. Which again leads one to wonder...is the product itself worth saving? The plans, tooling, assembly line, investment...etc...? It would take the right person or group...with the right financing... All tbd I guess... -Richard Colahan From howard at crossinginsurance.com Tue Feb 25 13:24:37 2020 From: howard at crossinginsurance.com (Howard Nenner) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 18:24:37 +0000 Subject: [dvnr] Garner Nortons In-Reply-To: <6988C707A06748E7AA3B0A46CF95A4DF@OwnerPC> References: <6988C707A06748E7AA3B0A46CF95A4DF@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Read an article in another MC magazine about how actor Keanu Reeves and Arch Motorcycles should take over Norton since he has a manufacturing company in Arch and a supposed love of Nortons. Maybe just wishful thinking? Sincerely, Howard Nenner, CIC Crossing Insurance Group 1120 Taylorsville Road Washington Crossing PA 18977 PH: 215-321-4990 www.crossinginsurance.com -----Original Message----- From: DVNR On Behalf Of Richard Colahan via DVNR Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2020 1:15 PM To: DVNR Subject: [dvnr] Garner Nortons DVNR's... So...my new copy of Motorcycle Classics shows up on Friday...and there's an enthusiastic review by Alan Cathcart of the pre-production Norton Atlas Nomad (standard) and Ranger (scrambler) 650 twins. He begins the article: "Norton's decade-long ride down the comeback trail under the ownership of Stuart Garner is now reaching fruition." Not sure if administration (aka UK bankruptcy...) and potential liquidation...not to mention criminal charges...was the "fruition" that Mr Cathcart was referring to. But in his defense he indicates in the article that it was written in late fall 2019...before the first shoe dropped. But he liked the bikes! UK engineering combined with Chinese (Zongshen) engine component manufacture. A bit pricy though...nothing to compete with a quite functional and enjoyable RE at their price point...or a Hinkley Triumph. Which again leads one to wonder...is the product itself worth saving? The plans, tooling, assembly line, investment...etc...? It would take the right person or group...with the right financing... All tbd I guess... -Richard Colahan _______________________________________________ DVNR mailing list DVNR at casano.com https://mailman.dudley.nu/mailman/listinfo/dvnr UNSUBSCRIBE: mail to DVNR-unsubscribe at casano.com From kopecke1 at gmail.com Tue Feb 25 13:35:39 2020 From: kopecke1 at gmail.com (Ken Kopec) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 13:35:39 -0500 Subject: [dvnr] Garner Nortons Message-ID: <461AD48B-1586-4B65-AFDE-7B97F33E1AEE@gmail.com> This is the article: The motor is basically the front 2 cylinders from the V4 super bike we saw racing at the IOM tt last year. https://www.motorcycleclassics.com/classic-british-motorcycles/classic-norton-motorcycles/2020-norton-atlas-650-nomad-ranger-zmcz20mazhur Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 25, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Richard Colahan via DVNR wrote: > From robertnorum1953 at gmail.com Tue Feb 25 20:16:24 2020 From: robertnorum1953 at gmail.com (Robert Norum) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 17:16:24 -0800 Subject: [dvnr] Garner Nortons In-Reply-To: <6988C707A06748E7AA3B0A46CF95A4DF@OwnerPC> References: <6988C707A06748E7AA3B0A46CF95A4DF@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <44409C1F-2B75-4D79-90B5-CCF3C35C3E3B@gmail.com> Today?s Norton?s are not the bikes we grew up with and fell in love with. In summary - could care less what happens to the brand - it?s just not the same. Go buy a new RE and take a nice vacation with the savings! Cheers! Sent from Bob's iPhone > On Feb 25, 2020, at 10:15 AM, Richard Colahan via DVNR wrote: > > ?DVNR's... > > So...my new copy of Motorcycle Classics shows up on Friday...and there's an enthusiastic review by Alan Cathcart of the pre-production Norton Atlas Nomad (standard) and Ranger (scrambler) 650 twins. > He begins the article: "Norton's decade-long ride down the comeback trail under the ownership of Stuart Garner is now reaching fruition." > Not sure if administration (aka UK bankruptcy...) and potential liquidation...not to mention criminal charges...was the "fruition" that Mr Cathcart was referring to. But in his defense he indicates in the article that it was written in late fall 2019...before the first shoe dropped. > > But he liked the bikes! > UK engineering combined with Chinese (Zongshen) engine component manufacture. > A bit pricy though...nothing to compete with a quite functional and enjoyable RE at their price point...or a Hinkley Triumph. > > Which again leads one to wonder...is the product itself worth saving? > The plans, tooling, assembly line, investment...etc...? > It would take the right person or group...with the right financing... > > All tbd I guess... > > -Richard Colahan > _______________________________________________ > DVNR mailing list > DVNR at casano.com > https://mailman.dudley.nu/mailman/listinfo/dvnr > UNSUBSCRIBE: mail to DVNR-unsubscribe at casano.com From jmat1957 at gmail.com Wed Feb 26 18:41:09 2020 From: jmat1957 at gmail.com (Joe Matkowski) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 18:41:09 -0500 Subject: [dvnr] Looking for motorcycle transport company Message-ID: Hi all, Anyone have recommendations for a transport company ? Need to get a bike from Tampa Florida area to my house in Warminster. Any recommendations are appreciated. Joe From cbclancy at aol.com Wed Feb 26 18:50:42 2020 From: cbclancy at aol.com (cbclancy at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 23:50:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [dvnr] Looking for motorcycle transport company In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1645011469.1116665.1582761042334@mail.yahoo.com> I've had excellent luck with U-Ship. Charlie -----Original Message----- From: Joe Matkowski via DVNR To: Del Val Norton Riders Sent: Wed, Feb 26, 2020 6:41 pm Subject: [dvnr] Looking for motorcycle transport company Hi all, Anyone have recommendations for a transport company ? Need to get a bike from Tampa Florida area to my house in Warminster. Any recommendations are appreciated. Joe _______________________________________________ DVNR mailing list DVNR at casano.com https://mailman.dudley.nu/mailman/listinfo/dvnr UNSUBSCRIBE: mail to DVNR-unsubscribe at casano.com From ryanweisel28 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 26 18:58:20 2020 From: ryanweisel28 at yahoo.com (Ryan Weisel) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 18:58:20 -0500 Subject: [dvnr] Looking for motorcycle transport company In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wolverine cycle logistics ,LLC 817-680 8226- cell 817- 496 -4111- office Haul bikes is another good one. Ryan Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 26, 2020, at 6:41 PM, Joe Matkowski via DVNR wrote: > > ?Hi all, > Anyone have recommendations for a transport company ? > Need to get a bike from Tampa Florida area to my house in Warminster. > Any recommendations are appreciated. > Joe > _______________________________________________ > DVNR mailing list > DVNR at casano.com > https://mailman.dudley.nu/mailman/listinfo/dvnr > UNSUBSCRIBE: mail to DVNR-unsubscribe at casano.com From ryanweisel28 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 26 18:58:20 2020 From: ryanweisel28 at yahoo.com (Ryan Weisel) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 18:58:20 -0500 Subject: [dvnr] Looking for motorcycle transport company In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wolverine cycle logistics ,LLC 817-680 8226- cell 817- 496 -4111- office Haul bikes is another good one. Ryan Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 26, 2020, at 6:41 PM, Joe Matkowski via DVNR wrote: > > ?Hi all, > Anyone have recommendations for a transport company ? > Need to get a bike from Tampa Florida area to my house in Warminster. > Any recommendations are appreciated. > Joe > _______________________________________________ > DVNR mailing list > DVNR at casano.com > https://mailman.dudley.nu/mailman/listinfo/dvnr > UNSUBSCRIBE: mail to DVNR-unsubscribe at casano.com From dansellers45 at gmail.com Thu Feb 27 11:23:24 2020 From: dansellers45 at gmail.com (Daniel Sellers) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 11:23:24 -0500 Subject: [dvnr] Looking for motorcycle transport company In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Joe I have had several bikes shipped from various locations. With some I have used shippers suggested by the seller and with some I've used Uship. I don't necessarily choose the least expensive but choose the carrier based on feedback from previous customers. Almost always shipping is less expensive than driving with a truck or trailer to pick it up myself. Never had a problem. dan sellers On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 6:58 PM Ryan Weisel via DVNR wrote: > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Ryan Weisel > To: Joe Matkowski > Cc: Del Val Norton Riders > Bcc: > Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 18:58:20 -0500 > Subject: Re: [dvnr] Looking for motorcycle transport company > Wolverine cycle logistics ,LLC > 817-680 8226- cell > 817- 496 -4111- office > > Haul bikes is another good one. > > Ryan > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Feb 26, 2020, at 6:41 PM, Joe Matkowski via DVNR > wrote: > > > > ?Hi all, > > Anyone have recommendations for a transport company ? > > Need to get a bike from Tampa Florida area to my house in Warminster. > > Any recommendations are appreciated. > > Joe > > _______________________________________________ > > DVNR mailing list > > DVNR at casano.com > > https://mailman.dudley.nu/mailman/listinfo/dvnr > > UNSUBSCRIBE: mail to DVNR-unsubscribe at casano.com > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Ryan Weisel via DVNR > To: Joe Matkowski > Cc: Del Val Norton Riders > Bcc: > Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 18:58:20 -0500 > Subject: Re: [dvnr] Looking for motorcycle transport company > _______________________________________________ > DVNR mailing list > DVNR at casano.com > https://mailman.dudley.nu/mailman/listinfo/dvnr > UNSUBSCRIBE: mail to DVNR-unsubscribe at casano.com > From rcolahan at epix.net Thu Feb 27 14:36:11 2020 From: rcolahan at epix.net (Richard Colahan) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 14:36:11 -0500 Subject: [dvnr] Looking for motorcycle transport company In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47CB172915E449A8AF02D3D4A7A290B7@OwnerPC> Joe, I've shipped more bikes then I can count...here's my take... 1. Uship Uship is not a carrier. They are a broker...a clearing house. Shipper pays Uship. Uship takes their cut...then posts the shipment on their web site. Carriers that belong to their group can 'pick-up" the shipment if they want it. I've never hired them, but used them 3 times for buyers that did. > 1st was a Tiger Cub to Fla. Rough sounding guy, I would not let him come > to the house. I met him at the Turkey Hill parking lot. Beat up truck and > trailer. Hope it got there ok. > 2nd was a Can Am to Ill. Took 2 weeks and many phone calls from me and > buyer (aka "shipper") for Uship to have someone take the shipment. > Sprinter van showed up at 11 pm on a freezing night. I think Driver was in > the Russian mafia...or one of those bad guys from the "Taken" movie. Never > spoke except to say "Pick up fee 50 dolla..." He was trying to shake me > down. 3 times he said it, 3 times I said no...I was not the Paying > shipper. He opened the doors to his van. A V-Strom was laying on it's side > against a wall. He rolled the C/A up and leaned it against the V-Strom. No > tie downs...and off he went. I called the buyer to warn him...it got there > OK but the thug tried to get a delivery fee from him also! > 3rd was just a few months ago, KTM to Fla. Driver was a good guy! Took > extra parts boxes. I think it went well...did not hear from buyer. My only > concern was his truck...newer and clean, but an open bed pick up. 2. Haulbikes https://haulbikes.com/ A carrier with it's own trucks, at least it was last time I used them about 8 years ago. 3 times..twice with multiple bikes from Las Vegas, once with a BMW from MO. They have big 45' moving vans that won't get up my drive-way, so all 3 times I arranged to meet the driver at a local large parking lot. Once I saved some $ by having the bikes delivered to a HD sidecar warehouse in York where I picked them up. Never a problem. 3. Federal https://www.funtransport.com/ This is who I use the most, although they have gotten a bit expensive. I would chose no one else for valuable restored bikes. Our "Old Farts" riding group also uses them to ship our ADV or road bikes out/back to the Rockies or West Coast for our trips. Last sept was out to Billings MT, and back from Spokane WA. I can drop/pick up at the Clemmer warehouse in Telford and drop/pick up at "bike friendly" warehouses close to our start/end destinations. AMA discount. Never a problem. So...if shipping a dirt bike, project bike, parts bike? I guess I'd consider Uship. Anything valuable or time sensitive like for a vacation? Nope. I'll pay the price and stick with Federal. As they say, your results may vary... -Richard Colahan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Matkowski via DVNR" To: "Del Val Norton Riders" Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 6:41 PM Subject: [dvnr] Looking for motorcycle transport company > Hi all, > Anyone have recommendations for a transport company ? > Need to get a bike from Tampa Florida area to my house in Warminster. > Any recommendations are appreciated. > Joe > _______________________________________________ > DVNR mailing list > DVNR at casano.com > https://mailman.dudley.nu/mailman/listinfo/dvnr > UNSUBSCRIBE: mail to DVNR-unsubscribe at casano.com From beemer56bob at verizon.net Thu Feb 27 14:43:05 2020 From: beemer56bob at verizon.net (bob Katz) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 19:43:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [dvnr] Looking for motorcycle transport company References: <2074736786.1097641.1582832585712.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2074736786.1097641.1582832585712@mail.yahoo.com> I concur. Phoenix Denver ?twice?Seattle ? And Reno?from clemmers in Telford first class drop off there. Fly to city pick up at distribution center or they will drop at a bike dealer if u like. ?AMA discount. ?Good luck ?bob? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Thursday, February 27, 2020,?Richard Colahan via DVNR??wrote: Joe, I've shipped more bikes then I can count...here's my take... 1. Uship Uship is not a carrier. They are a broker...a clearing house. Shipper pays Uship. Uship takes their cut...then posts the shipment on their web site. Carriers that belong to their group can 'pick-up" the shipment if they want it. I've never hired them, but used them 3 times for buyers that did. > 1st was a Tiger Cub to Fla. Rough sounding guy, I would not let him come > to the house. I met him at the Turkey Hill parking lot. Beat up truck and > trailer. Hope it got there ok. > 2nd was a Can Am to Ill. Took 2 weeks and many phone calls from me and > buyer (aka "shipper") for Uship to have someone take the shipment. > Sprinter van showed up at 11 pm on a freezing night. I think Driver was in > the Russian mafia...or one of those bad guys from the "Taken" movie. Never > spoke except to say "Pick up fee 50 dolla..." He was trying to shake me > down. 3 times he said it, 3 times I said no...I was not the Paying > shipper. He opened the doors to his van. A V-Strom was laying on it's side > against a wall. He rolled the C/A up and leaned it against the V-Strom. No > tie downs...and off he went. I called the buyer to warn him...it got there > OK but the thug tried to get a delivery fee from him also! > 3rd was just a few months ago, KTM to Fla. Driver was a good guy! Took > extra parts boxes. I think it went well...did not hear from buyer. My only > concern was his truck...newer and clean, but an open bed pick up. 2. Haulbikes https://haulbikes.com/ A carrier with it's own trucks, at least it was last time I used them about 8 years ago. 3 times..twice with multiple bikes from Las Vegas, once with a BMW from MO. They have big 45' moving vans that won't get up my drive-way, so all 3 times I arranged to meet the driver at a local large parking lot. Once I saved some $ by having the bikes delivered to a HD sidecar warehouse in York where I picked them up. Never a problem. 3. Federal ? https://www.funtransport.com/ This is who I use the most, although they have gotten a bit expensive. I would chose no one else for valuable restored bikes. Our "Old Farts" riding group also uses them to ship our ADV or road bikes out/back to the Rockies or West Coast for our trips. Last sept was out to Billings MT, and back from Spokane WA. I can drop/pick up at the Clemmer warehouse in Telford and drop/pick up at "bike friendly" warehouses close to our start/end destinations. AMA discount. Never a problem. So...if shipping a dirt bike, project bike, parts bike? I guess I'd consider Uship. Anything valuable or time sensitive like for a vacation? Nope. I'll pay the price and stick with Federal. As they say, your results may vary... -Richard Colahan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Matkowski via DVNR" To: "Del Val Norton Riders" Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 6:41 PM Subject: [dvnr] Looking for motorcycle transport company > Hi all, > Anyone have recommendations for a transport company ? > Need to get a bike from Tampa Florida area to my house in Warminster. > Any recommendations are appreciated. > Joe > _______________________________________________ > DVNR mailing list > DVNR at casano.com > https://mailman.dudley.nu/mailman/listinfo/dvnr > UNSUBSCRIBE: mail to DVNR-unsubscribe at casano.com _______________________________________________ DVNR mailing list DVNR at casano.com https://mailman.dudley.nu/mailman/listinfo/dvnr UNSUBSCRIBE: mail to DVNR-unsubscribe at casano.com From jmat1957 at gmail.com Thu Feb 27 17:28:44 2020 From: jmat1957 at gmail.com (Joe Matkowski) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 17:28:44 -0500 Subject: [dvnr] Looking for motorcycle transport company In-Reply-To: <2074736786.1097641.1582832585712@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2074736786.1097641.1582832585712.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2074736786.1097641.1582832585712@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks to all for the advice and cautions. Sounds like Haul Bikes or Federal is the way to go. Unless I get a discount from Vladimir from the Russian Mafia, using Rich?s name to do so ! ? Bob K - when you mentioned Clemmers, did you mean you used them as a pick up point or did they actually move the bikes themselves? The reason I ask is that I moved an entire business / factory using them back in 2006, working right with Joe Clemmer. When I was in their facility I saw quite a few bikes stored there. Not sure if they were being stored, or waiting for transport. On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 2:43 PM bob Katz wrote: > I concur. Phoenix Denver twice Seattle And Reno from clemmers in > Telford first class drop off there. Fly to city pick up at distribution > center or they will drop at a bike dealer if u like. AMA discount. Good > luck bob > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > On Thursday, February 27, 2020, Richard Colahan via DVNR wrote: > > > Joe, > I've shipped more bikes then I can count...here's my take... > > 1. Uship > Uship is not a carrier. They are a broker...a clearing house. > Shipper pays Uship. Uship takes their cut...then posts the shipment on > their > web site. > Carriers that belong to their group can 'pick-up" the shipment if they > want > it. > I've never hired them, but used them 3 times for buyers that did. > > 1st was a Tiger Cub to Fla. Rough sounding guy, I would not let him come > > to the house. I met him at the Turkey Hill parking lot. Beat up truck > and > > trailer. Hope it got there ok. > > 2nd was a Can Am to Ill. Took 2 weeks and many phone calls from me and > > buyer (aka "shipper") for Uship to have someone take the shipment. > > Sprinter van showed up at 11 pm on a freezing night. I think Driver was > in > > the Russian mafia...or one of those bad guys from the "Taken" movie. > Never > > spoke except to say "Pick up fee 50 dolla..." He was trying to shake me > > down. 3 times he said it, 3 times I said no...I was not the Paying > > shipper. He opened the doors to his van. A V-Strom was laying on it's > side > > against a wall. He rolled the C/A up and leaned it against the V-Strom. > No > > tie downs...and off he went. I called the buyer to warn him...it got > there > > OK but the thug tried to get a delivery fee from him also! > > 3rd was just a few months ago, KTM to Fla. Driver was a good guy! Took > > extra parts boxes. I think it went well...did not hear from buyer. My > only > > concern was his truck...newer and clean, but an open bed pick up. > > 2. Haulbikes > https://haulbikes.com/ > A carrier with it's own trucks, at least it was last time I used them > about > 8 years ago. > 3 times..twice with multiple bikes from Las Vegas, once with a BMW from > MO. > They have big 45' moving vans that won't get up my drive-way, so all 3 > times > I arranged to meet the driver at a local large parking lot. > Once I saved some $ by having the bikes delivered to a HD sidecar > warehouse > in York where I picked them up. Never a problem. > > 3. Federal > https://www.funtransport.com/ > This is who I use the most, although they have gotten a bit expensive. I > would chose no one else for valuable restored bikes. Our "Old Farts" > riding > group also uses them to ship our ADV or road bikes out/back to the Rockies > or West Coast for our trips. Last sept was out to Billings MT, and back > from > Spokane WA. I can drop/pick up at the Clemmer warehouse in Telford and > drop/pick up at "bike friendly" warehouses close to our start/end > destinations. AMA discount. Never a problem. > > So...if shipping a dirt bike, project bike, parts bike? I guess I'd > consider > Uship. > Anything valuable or time sensitive like for a vacation? Nope. I'll pay > the > price and stick with Federal. > > As they say, your results may vary... > > -Richard Colahan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Matkowski via DVNR" > To: "Del Val Norton Riders" > Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 6:41 PM > Subject: [dvnr] Looking for motorcycle transport company > > > > Hi all, > > Anyone have recommendations for a transport company ? > > Need to get a bike from Tampa Florida area to my house in Warminster. > > Any recommendations are appreciated. > > Joe > > _______________________________________________ > > DVNR mailing list > > DVNR at casano.com > > https://mailman.dudley.nu/mailman/listinfo/dvnr > > UNSUBSCRIBE: mail to DVNR-unsubscribe at casano.com > > > _______________________________________________ > DVNR mailing list > DVNR at casano.com > https://mailman.dudley.nu/mailman/listinfo/dvnr > UNSUBSCRIBE: mail to DVNR-unsubscribe at casano.com > > From beemer56bob at verizon.net Thu Feb 27 18:33:28 2020 From: beemer56bob at verizon.net (bob Katz) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 23:33:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [dvnr] Looking for motorcycle transport company References: <746461007.1178554.1582846408390.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <746461007.1178554.1582846408390@mail.yahoo.com> Clemmers is the distribution point for federal drop and pick up there.? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Thursday, February 27, 2020,?Joe Matkowski??wrote: Thanks to all for the advice and cautions.?Sounds like Haul Bikes or Federal is the way to go. ?Unless I get a discount from Vladimir from the Russian Mafia, using Rich?s name to do so ! ?? Bob K - when you mentioned Clemmers, did you mean you used them as a pick up point or did they actually move the bikes themselves?? The reason I ask is that I moved an entire business / factory using them back in 2006, working right with Joe Clemmer.? When I was in their facility I saw quite a few bikes stored there.? Not sure if they were being stored, or waiting for transport.? On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 2:43 PM bob Katz wrote: I concur. Phoenix Denver ?twice?Seattle ? And Reno?from clemmers in Telford first class drop off there. Fly to city pick up at distribution center or they will drop at a bike dealer if u like.? AMA discount.? Good luck ?bob? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Thursday, February 27, 2020,?Richard Colahan via DVNR??wrote: Joe, I've shipped more bikes then I can count...here's my take... 1. Uship Uship is not a carrier. They are a broker...a clearing house. Shipper pays Uship. Uship takes their cut...then posts the shipment on their web site. Carriers that belong to their group can 'pick-up" the shipment if they want it. I've never hired them, but used them 3 times for buyers that did. > 1st was a Tiger Cub to Fla. Rough sounding guy, I would not let him come > to the house. I met him at the Turkey Hill parking lot. Beat up truck and > trailer. Hope it got there ok. > 2nd was a Can Am to Ill. Took 2 weeks and many phone calls from me and > buyer (aka "shipper") for Uship to have someone take the shipment. > Sprinter van showed up at 11 pm on a freezing night. I think Driver was in > the Russian mafia...or one of those bad guys from the "Taken" movie. Never > spoke except to say "Pick up fee 50 dolla..." He was trying to shake me > down. 3 times he said it, 3 times I said no...I was not the Paying > shipper. He opened the doors to his van. A V-Strom was laying on it's side > against a wall. He rolled the C/A up and leaned it against the V-Strom. No > tie downs...and off he went. I called the buyer to warn him...it got there > OK but the thug tried to get a delivery fee from him also! > 3rd was just a few months ago, KTM to Fla. Driver was a good guy! Took > extra parts boxes. I think it went well...did not hear from buyer. My only > concern was his truck...newer and clean, but an open bed pick up. 2. Haulbikes https://haulbikes.com/ A carrier with it's own trucks, at least it was last time I used them about 8 years ago. 3 times..twice with multiple bikes from Las Vegas, once with a BMW from MO. They have big 45' moving vans that won't get up my drive-way, so all 3 times I arranged to meet the driver at a local large parking lot. Once I saved some $ by having the bikes delivered to a HD sidecar warehouse in York where I picked them up. Never a problem. 3. Federal ? https://www.funtransport.com/ This is who I use the most, although they have gotten a bit expensive. I would chose no one else for valuable restored bikes. Our "Old Farts" riding group also uses them to ship our ADV or road bikes out/back to the Rockies or West Coast for our trips. Last sept was out to Billings MT, and back from Spokane WA. I can drop/pick up at the Clemmer warehouse in Telford and drop/pick up at "bike friendly" warehouses close to our start/end destinations. AMA discount. Never a problem. So...if shipping a dirt bike, project bike, parts bike? I guess I'd consider Uship. Anything valuable or time sensitive like for a vacation? Nope. I'll pay the price and stick with Federal. As they say, your results may vary... -Richard Colahan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Matkowski via DVNR" To: "Del Val Norton Riders" Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 6:41 PM Subject: [dvnr] Looking for motorcycle transport company > Hi all, > Anyone have recommendations for a transport company ? > Need to get a bike from Tampa Florida area to my house in Warminster. > Any recommendations are appreciated. > Joe > _______________________________________________ > DVNR mailing list > DVNR at casano.com > https://mailman.dudley.nu/mailman/listinfo/dvnr > UNSUBSCRIBE: mail to DVNR-unsubscribe at casano.com _______________________________________________ DVNR mailing list DVNR at casano.com https://mailman.dudley.nu/mailman/listinfo/dvnr UNSUBSCRIBE: mail to DVNR-unsubscribe at casano.com From rcolahan at epix.net Thu Feb 27 20:06:36 2020 From: rcolahan at epix.net (Richard Colahan) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 20:06:36 -0500 Subject: [dvnr] Looking for motorcycle transport company In-Reply-To: <746461007.1178554.1582846408390@mail.yahoo.com> References: <746461007.1178554.1582846408390.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <746461007.1178554.1582846408390@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: If you can drop your "outbound"...or pick up your "inbound" Federal bike shipment at Clemmer, there are 2 advantages: > I'm pretty sure you save some $ vs them coming to your home. They pass > that savings on to you. > You don't have to worry about being home when they want to come. You have > some flexability to drop an outbound, and if it's and inbound bike...they > call you when it arrives...if you're tied up for a few days no > problem...they hold it and you get it when you can. I'm not sure if Haulbikes has a similar local warehouse...you can check with them... One last thing on Federal...I always call instead of trying to book on the web...the reps have more info then the web site... ----- Original Message ----- From: "bob Katz" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [dvnr] Looking for motorcycle transport company Clemmers is the distribution point for federal drop and pick up there. Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Thursday, February 27, 2020, Joe Matkowski wrote: Thanks to all for the advice and cautions. Sounds like Haul Bikes or Federal is the way to go. Unless I get a discount from Vladimir from the Russian Mafia, using Rich?s name to do so ! ? Bob K - when you mentioned Clemmers, did you mean you used them as a pick up point or did they actually move the bikes themselves? The reason I ask is that I moved an entire business / factory using them back in 2006, working right with Joe Clemmer. When I was in their facility I saw quite a few bikes stored there. Not sure if they were being stored, or waiting for transport. On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 2:43 PM bob Katz wrote: I concur. Phoenix Denver twice Seattle And Reno from clemmers in Telford first class drop off there. Fly to city pick up at distribution center or they will drop at a bike dealer if u like. AMA discount. Good luck bob Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Thursday, February 27, 2020, Richard Colahan via DVNR wrote: Joe, I've shipped more bikes then I can count...here's my take... 1. Uship Uship is not a carrier. They are a broker...a clearing house. Shipper pays Uship. Uship takes their cut...then posts the shipment on their web site. Carriers that belong to their group can 'pick-up" the shipment if they want it. I've never hired them, but used them 3 times for buyers that did. > 1st was a Tiger Cub to Fla. Rough sounding guy, I would not let him come > to the house. I met him at the Turkey Hill parking lot. Beat up truck and > trailer. Hope it got there ok. > 2nd was a Can Am to Ill. Took 2 weeks and many phone calls from me and > buyer (aka "shipper") for Uship to have someone take the shipment. > Sprinter van showed up at 11 pm on a freezing night. I think Driver was in > the Russian mafia...or one of those bad guys from the "Taken" movie. Never > spoke except to say "Pick up fee 50 dolla..." He was trying to shake me > down. 3 times he said it, 3 times I said no...I was not the Paying > shipper. He opened the doors to his van. A V-Strom was laying on it's side > against a wall. He rolled the C/A up and leaned it against the V-Strom. No > tie downs...and off he went. I called the buyer to warn him...it got there > OK but the thug tried to get a delivery fee from him also! > 3rd was just a few months ago, KTM to Fla. Driver was a good guy! Took > extra parts boxes. I think it went well...did not hear from buyer. My only > concern was his truck...newer and clean, but an open bed pick up. 2. Haulbikes https://haulbikes.com/ A carrier with it's own trucks, at least it was last time I used them about 8 years ago. 3 times..twice with multiple bikes from Las Vegas, once with a BMW from MO. They have big 45' moving vans that won't get up my drive-way, so all 3 times I arranged to meet the driver at a local large parking lot. Once I saved some $ by having the bikes delivered to a HD sidecar warehouse in York where I picked them up. Never a problem. 3. Federal https://www.funtransport.com/ This is who I use the most, although they have gotten a bit expensive. I would chose no one else for valuable restored bikes. Our "Old Farts" riding group also uses them to ship our ADV or road bikes out/back to the Rockies or West Coast for our trips. Last sept was out to Billings MT, and back from Spokane WA. I can drop/pick up at the Clemmer warehouse in Telford and drop/pick up at "bike friendly" warehouses close to our start/end destinations. AMA discount. Never a problem. So...if shipping a dirt bike, project bike, parts bike? I guess I'd consider Uship. Anything valuable or time sensitive like for a vacation? Nope. I'll pay the price and stick with Federal. As they say, your results may vary... -Richard Colahan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Matkowski via DVNR" To: "Del Val Norton Riders" Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 6:41 PM Subject: [dvnr] Looking for motorcycle transport company > Hi all, > Anyone have recommendations for a transport company ? > Need to get a bike from Tampa Florida area to my house in Warminster. > Any recommendations are appreciated. > Joe > _______________________________________________ > DVNR mailing list > DVNR at casano.com > https://mailman.dudley.nu/mailman/listinfo/dvnr > UNSUBSCRIBE: mail to DVNR-unsubscribe at casano.com _______________________________________________ DVNR mailing list DVNR at casano.com https://mailman.dudley.nu/mailman/listinfo/dvnr UNSUBSCRIBE: mail to DVNR-unsubscribe at casano.com From jmat1957 at gmail.com Thu Feb 27 20:43:54 2020 From: jmat1957 at gmail.com (Joe Matkowski) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 20:43:54 -0500 Subject: [dvnr] Looking for motorcycle transport company In-Reply-To: References: <746461007.1178554.1582846408390.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <746461007.1178554.1582846408390@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Rich. I work about a mile or two from Clemmer. I?ll check into it. On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 8:06 PM Richard Colahan wrote: > If you can drop your "outbound"...or pick up your "inbound" Federal bike > shipment at Clemmer, there are 2 advantages: > > I'm pretty sure you save some $ vs them coming to your home. They pass > > that savings on to you. > > You don't have to worry about being home when they want to come. You > have > > some flexability to drop an outbound, and if it's and inbound > bike...they > > call you when it arrives...if you're tied up for a few days no > > problem...they hold it and you get it when you can. > I'm not sure if Haulbikes has a similar local warehouse...you can check > with > them... > > One last thing on Federal...I always call instead of trying to book on the > web...the reps have more info then the web site... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bob Katz" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 6:33 PM > Subject: Re: [dvnr] Looking for motorcycle transport company > > > Clemmers is the distribution point for federal drop and pick up there. > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > On Thursday, February 27, 2020, Joe Matkowski wrote: > > Thanks to all for the advice and cautions. Sounds like Haul Bikes or > Federal > is the way to go. Unless I get a discount from Vladimir from the Russian > Mafia, using Rich?s name to do so ! ? > Bob K - when you mentioned Clemmers, did you mean you used them as a pick > up > point or did they actually move the bikes themselves? The reason I ask is > that I moved an entire business / factory using them back in 2006, working > right with Joe Clemmer. When I was in their facility I saw quite a few > bikes > stored there. Not sure if they were being stored, or waiting for transport. > > > On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 2:43 PM bob Katz wrote: > > I concur. Phoenix Denver twice Seattle And Reno from clemmers in Telford > first class drop off there. Fly to city pick up at distribution center or > they will drop at a bike dealer if u like. AMA discount. Good luck bob > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > On Thursday, February 27, 2020, Richard Colahan via DVNR > > wrote: > > Joe, > I've shipped more bikes then I can count...here's my take... > > 1. Uship > Uship is not a carrier. They are a broker...a clearing house. > Shipper pays Uship. Uship takes their cut...then posts the shipment on > their > web site. > Carriers that belong to their group can 'pick-up" the shipment if they want > it. > I've never hired them, but used them 3 times for buyers that did. > > 1st was a Tiger Cub to Fla. Rough sounding guy, I would not let him come > > to the house. I met him at the Turkey Hill parking lot. Beat up truck and > > trailer. Hope it got there ok. > > 2nd was a Can Am to Ill. Took 2 weeks and many phone calls from me and > > buyer (aka "shipper") for Uship to have someone take the shipment. > > Sprinter van showed up at 11 pm on a freezing night. I think Driver was > in > > the Russian mafia...or one of those bad guys from the "Taken" movie. > Never > > spoke except to say "Pick up fee 50 dolla..." He was trying to shake me > > down. 3 times he said it, 3 times I said no...I was not the Paying > > shipper. He opened the doors to his van. A V-Strom was laying on it's > side > > against a wall. He rolled the C/A up and leaned it against the V-Strom. > No > > tie downs...and off he went. I called the buyer to warn him...it got > there > > OK but the thug tried to get a delivery fee from him also! > > 3rd was just a few months ago, KTM to Fla. Driver was a good guy! Took > > extra parts boxes. I think it went well...did not hear from buyer. My > only > > concern was his truck...newer and clean, but an open bed pick up. > > 2. Haulbikes > https://haulbikes.com/ > A carrier with it's own trucks, at least it was last time I used them about > 8 years ago. > 3 times..twice with multiple bikes from Las Vegas, once with a BMW from MO. > They have big 45' moving vans that won't get up my drive-way, so all 3 > times > I arranged to meet the driver at a local large parking lot. > Once I saved some $ by having the bikes delivered to a HD sidecar warehouse > in York where I picked them up. Never a problem. > > 3. Federal > https://www.funtransport.com/ > This is who I use the most, although they have gotten a bit expensive. I > would chose no one else for valuable restored bikes. Our "Old Farts" riding > group also uses them to ship our ADV or road bikes out/back to the Rockies > or West Coast for our trips. Last sept was out to Billings MT, and back > from > Spokane WA. I can drop/pick up at the Clemmer warehouse in Telford and > drop/pick up at "bike friendly" warehouses close to our start/end > destinations. AMA discount. Never a problem. > > So...if shipping a dirt bike, project bike, parts bike? I guess I'd > consider > Uship. > Anything valuable or time sensitive like for a vacation? Nope. I'll pay the > price and stick with Federal. > > As they say, your results may vary... > > -Richard Colahan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Matkowski via DVNR" > To: "Del Val Norton Riders" > Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 6:41 PM > Subject: [dvnr] Looking for motorcycle transport company > > > > Hi all, > > Anyone have recommendations for a transport company ? > > Need to get a bike from Tampa Florida area to my house in Warminster. > > Any recommendations are appreciated. > > Joe > > _______________________________________________ > > DVNR mailing list > > DVNR at casano.com > > https://mailman.dudley.nu/mailman/listinfo/dvnr > > UNSUBSCRIBE: mail to DVNR-unsubscribe at casano.com > > _______________________________________________ > DVNR mailing list > DVNR at casano.com > https://mailman.dudley.nu/mailman/listinfo/dvnr > UNSUBSCRIBE: mail to DVNR-unsubscribe at casano.com > > > > >